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From Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:14:30 GMT
Nice. I like proza as well. Before long we'll embark on the path, where we
only see multi-interpretable quotes and we quibble over semantics.

Best regards,


Pierre Smits

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> wrote:

> Hopefully you don't mind me helping with a colorful euphemisms here.
> In the words of immortal Tao De Jing
>
>  When government is lazy and informal
>  The people are kind and honest;
>  When government is efficient and severe
>  The people are discontented and deceitful.
>
> Cos
>
> On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 03:11PM, Branko ─îibej wrote:
> > Pierre, I could find any number of euphemisms to say the same thing, but
> > I prefer to say what I mean and not beat about the bush.
> >
> > To give you an idea where my disgust comes from: Every project here that
> > I know of that has bylaws about decision-making has some kind of
> > fundamental problem and constant tensions in the community. Now some
> > people may think that extra rules serve to keep problems in check, but
> > IMO they just make things worse.
> >
> > -- Brane
> >
> >
> > On 06.07.2015 23:40, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> > > That's called 'difference of opinions'. Nobody is entitled to like
> others'
> > > viewpoints. In fact, there are certain viewpoints that hardly can cause
> > > anything but regurgitation in a sane human being. On the hand, no one
> can
> > > denied anyone a right to express their opinions.
> > >
> > > Cos
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 12:10PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > >> Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your
> > >> statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the
> matter. I
> > >> hope you recover from it soon.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Pierre Smits
> > >>
> > >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > >> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > >> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > >> Services and Retail & Trade
> > >> http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Branko ─îibej <brane@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 04.07.2015 18:34, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > >>>> Having done a cursory review of the incubator reports to the board
> for
> > >>>> this year (January till May/June 2015), I found that only the SAMOA
> > >>>> podling reported working on a project set of bylaws, which without
> > >>>> knowing details could encompass and/or incorporate the code of
> conduct.
> > >>> I find myself disgusted by this widespread assumption that each
> project
> > >>> needs its own bylaws. WTF for? Are not ASF policies and practices
> enough
> > >>> for everyone? What sort of bylaws could you possibly invent that are
> > >>> both a useful extension of these policies and practices /and/ are not
> > >>> applicable to other projects?
> > >>>
> > >>> Per-project bylaws are just a tool for fragmenting the ASF
> community, in
> > >>> other words, they're a bad idea; paper-shuffling at its most useless.
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Brane
> > >>>
> >
>

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