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From Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:07:21 GMT
Summarization != representation, Ross. I have faith that you'll be better
at summarising than any of the summarisation tools available.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Huh? How am I able to represent your view as well as you can?
>
> If you want me to restate *my* view I can do that by quoting my own view I
> will quote my summary from earlier in this thread: "In the absence of
> [project] bye-laws the defaults apply. "
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre Smits [mailto:pierre.smits@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 11:09 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off
> of Better specifying....)
>
> I am confident, Ross, that you are equally capable of doing that. So why
> don't you give it a go?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > So can you summarize what you are saying.
> >
> > Sent from Surface
> >
> > From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > Sent: ?Monday?, ?July? ?6?, ?2015 ?10?:?47? ?AM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
> >
> > Hi Konstantin,
> >
> > No, I am not saying that, neither explicitly nor effectively. Thus no,
> > not a correct representation of the point of discussion. Maybe you got
> > that impression (regarding blanket bylaws, or projects going off the
> > handle) by reading the postings of others.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > Op maandag 6 juli 2015 heeft Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> het
> > volgende geschreven:
> >
> > > Let me see if I read you right, Pierre. Effectively, you're saying
> > > that imposing a blanket bylaws system should help to prevent some
> > > rare cases
> > of
> > > established projects going off the handle? Is this a correct
> > > representation of the point of this discussion?
> > >
> > > I am not as eloquent as you're in painting the picture of the
> > > law-less land, thus please accept my apologies in advance if I came
> > > to the wrong conclusions.
> > >
> > > With best regards,
> > >   Cos
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 01:34PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF
> > > > guidelines
> > > has
> > > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established
> > > > projects
> > to
> > > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the
> > > > project and
> > > not
> > > > followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project.
> > > >
> > > > It is such that makes the determination of 'doing the right thing,
> > doing
> > > it
> > > > the right way' less credible in stead of more. The show flake
> > > > falling
> > > down
> > > > at the top of the mountain creates the avalanche in the valley.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Pierre Smits
> > > >
> > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for
> > > > Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail &
> > > > Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Smits <
> > pierre.smits@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:;>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...The latest posting by Jan proves the point of the necessity
> > > > > > of
> > > good
> > > > > > per-project bylaws when it comes to deviating from the generic
> > > guidelines
> > > > > > of the ASF...
> > > > >
> > > > > But as others have said, the best is to stick to those
> > > > > guidelines and use the default bylaws, unless it's absolutely
> > > > > necessary to do things differently.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Bertrand
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
> >
>

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