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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:31:21 GMT
Huh? How am I able to represent your view as well as you can?

If you want me to restate *my* view I can do that by quoting my own view I will quote my summary
from earlier in this thread: "In the absence of [project] bye-laws the defaults apply. "

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Smits [mailto:pierre.smits@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 11:09 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

I am confident, Ross, that you are equally capable of doing that. So why don't you give it
a go?

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> So can you summarize what you are saying.
>
> Sent from Surface
>
> From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> Sent: ?Monday?, ?July? ?6?, ?2015 ?10?:?47? ?AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
>
> Hi Konstantin,
>
> No, I am not saying that, neither explicitly nor effectively. Thus no, 
> not a correct representation of the point of discussion. Maybe you got 
> that impression (regarding blanket bylaws, or projects going off the 
> handle) by reading the postings of others.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre
>
> Op maandag 6 juli 2015 heeft Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> het 
> volgende geschreven:
>
> > Let me see if I read you right, Pierre. Effectively, you're saying 
> > that imposing a blanket bylaws system should help to prevent some 
> > rare cases
> of
> > established projects going off the handle? Is this a correct 
> > representation of the point of this discussion?
> >
> > I am not as eloquent as you're in painting the picture of the 
> > law-less land, thus please accept my apologies in advance if I came 
> > to the wrong conclusions.
> >
> > With best regards,
> >   Cos
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 01:34PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF 
> > > guidelines
> > has
> > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established 
> > > projects
> to
> > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the 
> > > project and
> > not
> > > followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project.
> > >
> > > It is such that makes the determination of 'doing the right thing,
> doing
> > it
> > > the right way' less credible in stead of more. The show flake 
> > > falling
> > down
> > > at the top of the mountain creates the avalanche in the valley.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for 
> > > Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & 
> > > Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Smits <
> pierre.smits@gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > ...The latest posting by Jan proves the point of the necessity 
> > > > > of
> > good
> > > > > per-project bylaws when it comes to deviating from the generic
> > guidelines
> > > > > of the ASF...
> > > >
> > > > But as others have said, the best is to stick to those 
> > > > guidelines and use the default bylaws, unless it's absolutely 
> > > > necessary to do things differently.
> > > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
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