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From Branko ─îibej <br...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:11:36 GMT
Pierre, I could find any number of euphemisms to say the same thing, but
I prefer to say what I mean and not beat about the bush.

To give you an idea where my disgust comes from: Every project here that
I know of that has bylaws about decision-making has some kind of
fundamental problem and constant tensions in the community. Now some
people may think that extra rules serve to keep problems in check, but
IMO they just make things worse.

-- Brane


On 06.07.2015 23:40, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> That's called 'difference of opinions'. Nobody is entitled to like others'
> viewpoints. In fact, there are certain viewpoints that hardly can cause
> anything but regurgitation in a sane human being. On the hand, no one can
> denied anyone a right to express their opinions.
>
> Cos
>
> On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 12:10PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your
>> statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the matter. I
>> hope you recover from it soon.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
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>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Branko ─îibej <brane@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04.07.2015 18:34, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>> Having done a cursory review of the incubator reports to the board for
>>>> this year (January till May/June 2015), I found that only the SAMOA
>>>> podling reported working on a project set of bylaws, which without
>>>> knowing details could encompass and/or incorporate the code of conduct.
>>> I find myself disgusted by this widespread assumption that each project
>>> needs its own bylaws. WTF for? Are not ASF policies and practices enough
>>> for everyone? What sort of bylaws could you possibly invent that are
>>> both a useful extension of these policies and practices /and/ are not
>>> applicable to other projects?
>>>
>>> Per-project bylaws are just a tool for fragmenting the ASF community, in
>>> other words, they're a bad idea; paper-shuffling at its most useless.
>>>
>>> -- Brane
>>>


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