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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2015 20:01:22 GMT
Hopefully you don't mind me helping with a colorful euphemisms here.
In the words of immortal Tao De Jing

 When government is lazy and informal
 The people are kind and honest;
 When government is efficient and severe
 The people are discontented and deceitful.

Cos

On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 03:11PM, Branko ─îibej wrote:
> Pierre, I could find any number of euphemisms to say the same thing, but
> I prefer to say what I mean and not beat about the bush.
> 
> To give you an idea where my disgust comes from: Every project here that
> I know of that has bylaws about decision-making has some kind of
> fundamental problem and constant tensions in the community. Now some
> people may think that extra rules serve to keep problems in check, but
> IMO they just make things worse.
> 
> -- Brane
> 
> 
> On 06.07.2015 23:40, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> > That's called 'difference of opinions'. Nobody is entitled to like others'
> > viewpoints. In fact, there are certain viewpoints that hardly can cause
> > anything but regurgitation in a sane human being. On the hand, no one can
> > denied anyone a right to express their opinions.
> >
> > Cos
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 12:10PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >> Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your
> >> statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the matter. I
> >> hope you recover from it soon.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >>
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> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Branko ─îibej <brane@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 04.07.2015 18:34, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >>>> Having done a cursory review of the incubator reports to the board for
> >>>> this year (January till May/June 2015), I found that only the SAMOA
> >>>> podling reported working on a project set of bylaws, which without
> >>>> knowing details could encompass and/or incorporate the code of conduct.
> >>> I find myself disgusted by this widespread assumption that each project
> >>> needs its own bylaws. WTF for? Are not ASF policies and practices enough
> >>> for everyone? What sort of bylaws could you possibly invent that are
> >>> both a useful extension of these policies and practices /and/ are not
> >>> applicable to other projects?
> >>>
> >>> Per-project bylaws are just a tool for fragmenting the ASF community, in
> >>> other words, they're a bad idea; paper-shuffling at its most useless.
> >>>
> >>> -- Brane
> >>>
> 

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