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From sebb AT ASF <s...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:17:32 GMT
On 25 June 2015 at 06:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr> wrote:
> Sebb,
>
> as main maintainer of current http://projects.apache.org/ (AFAIK), are you ok
> with switching the url to the new service and renaming current service to
> projects-old (to let use time to continue content migration withotu loosing
> anything)? Do you see any show stopper?

The main item missing from projects-new is documentation - it
currently points to projects.
It's not immediately obvious how to provide data for the site.
I think the main page needs to provide more of an overview.

I think the first step needs to be to improve the projects-new
documentation so it does not rely on the current project pages.

Also I notice that it seems p-new relies on parsing
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
which in turn parses other data sources.

That needs to be fixed.


> Of course, I'm interested in your help to maintain the new projects site:
> don't hesitate to comment on or change the code.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 17:16:07 jan i a écrit :
>> +1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data end.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan i
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr> wrote:
>> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
>> > > On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org
>> >
>> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > > > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
>> > > >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for
>> >
>> > improvements,
>> >
>> > > >> but
>> > > >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
>> > > >>
>> > > >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use
>> > > >> "Committee"
>> > > >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects
>> > > >> (the
>> > > >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
>> > > >> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP,
>> >
>> > documentation)
>> >
>> > > >> associated to communication with projects on the changes that
has to
>> >
>> > be
>> >
>> > > >> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on
it.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current
VM or
>> > > >> serve
>> > > >> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs,
>> >
>> > but is
>> >
>> > > >> not
>> > > >> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online
>> >
>> > content
>> >
>> > > >> editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK.
>> >
>> > Using
>> >
>> > > >> standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.
>> > > >
>> > > > What do you mean by 'standard httpd'? It already uses...standard httpd
>> >
>> > for
>> >
>> > > > serving the site.
>> > > > The cron jobs are needed for updating various statistics and data
on
>> >
>> > the
>> >
>> > > > site, they can't just be shut off - they also power
>> >
>> > reporter.apache.org.
>> >
>> > > Maybe I misunderstood something, I understood that we are using httpd,
>> >
>> > but
>> >
>> > > in our own vm. In my opinion it would be nicer to use the www.a.o httpd
>> > > (sorry
>> > > vms have been changing lately so I am not sure where it runs), since
>> > > that
>> > > would put httpd maintenance on infra instead of comdev.
>> >
>> > +1
>> > that was what I mean by "standard httpd" (ie not the binary but the
>> > machines
>> > where it runs)
>> >
>> > > > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
>> > > > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna
>> > > > stick
>> > > > with something as arcane as DOAP.
>> > >
>> > > +100 !!
>> > >
>> > > DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
>> > > (but I know I am only 1 voice).
>> >
>> > step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
>> >
>> > switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something
>> > that
>> > already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of
>> > energy
>> > on it for a few monthes now!
>> >
>> > We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and
>> > AFAIK
>> > nobody worked on it.
>> >
>> > What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to
>> > change
>> > (and communication to every comittees this requires).
>> > With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
>> > requirement is to have json files for the visualization
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Hervé
>> >
>> > > rgds
>> > > jan i.
>> > >
>> > > > With regards,
>> > > > Daniel.
>> > > >
>> > > >> but definitely, the site is ready for the switch
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Regards,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hervé
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
>> > > >>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message
finds you
>> > > >>> well.
>> > > >>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
>> > > >>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>> > > >>> Thanks so much,
>> > > >>> Sally
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>      ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>    From: David Nalley <david@gnsa.us <javascript:;>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>   To: Sally Khudairi <sallykhudairi@yahoo.com <javascript:;>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Cc: Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org <javascript:;>>;
ASF
>> >
>> > Infrastructure
>> >
>> > > >>> <infrastructure@apache.org <javascript:;>> Sent:
Friday, June 19,
>> >
>> > 2015 11:50 AM
>> >
>> > > >>>   Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for
prime
>> >
>> > time?
>> >
>> > > >>> Hi Sally:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not
an
>> > > >>> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a
>> > > >>> discussion
>> > > >>> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --David
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> <sallykhudairi@yahoo.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > > >>>> Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I was wondering if the new Projects page at
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> https://projects-new.apache.org/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> There's so much great information there and it's an incredible
>> >
>> > resource
>> >
>> > > >>>> (I
>> > > >>>> use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied
on it for
>> > > >>>> the
>> > > >>>> Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still
be in
>> >
>> > stealth
>> >
>> > > >>>> mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are
any
>> > > >>>> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Warm thanks,
>> > > >>>> Sally
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> = = = = =
>> > > >>>> vox +1 617 921 8656
>> > > >>>> off2 +1 646 583 3362
>> > > >>>> skype sallykhudairi
>

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