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From: "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
To: ComDev <dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF
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Thread-Topic: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF
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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:34:30 +0000
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Given what Joe said is exactly what I said I really object to this confront=
ational approach.

To your specific question, if someone is speaking *for* a project then they=
 can only do so with the permission of the project (being a PMC member or c=
ommitter does not automatically bestow that authority).  if someone is spea=
king for their employer (or anyone other than the project) then they can us=
e any title the PMC has awarded them as long as it conforms to the ASF trad=
emark rules.

That's just a repeat of what I said in my first mail.

Sent from Windows Mail

From: Roman Shaposhnik<mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>
Sent: ?Sunday?, ?March? ?8?, ?2015 ?5?:?33? ?PM
To: ComDev<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>

Last reply on this thread for today ;-)

On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 05:09 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> As a title provided by a company, I would be against any title that
> incorporates the name of an Apache project. Red Hat, for instance, can
> employ (and grant the title) the "Fedora Project Leader" and Novell can
> employ the "openSUSE Community Manager," but none of the companies are
> entitled to give a title related to any Apache project.

Now I think we're really getting somewhere: it seems to be that some confus=
ion
(definitely mine at least) stems from the fact of of who can actually grant=
 that
title. The example of I gave with Brett -- clearly the ASF community was th=
e
one bestowing that title. Now, quite contrary to the semantics game that Ro=
ss
was playing with 'what is an official title anyway?' -- I'd say that
at that point
it becomes one of Brett's official titles. Which means that even if there's=
 a
*corporate* announcement of him doing an event he can be billed as:
   Bret, Developer at Apache Maven

Can we agree on that?

Thanks,
Roman.

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