Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBC7C17866 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32136 invoked by uid 500); 24 Mar 2015 14:48:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 31883 invoked by uid 500); 24 Mar 2015 14:48:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 31872 invoked by uid 99); 24 Mar 2015 14:48:40 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:48:40 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: error (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.192.43] (HELO mail-qg0-f43.google.com) (209.85.192.43) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:48:15 +0000 Received: by qgep97 with SMTP id p97so71017013qge.1 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rFr5y03IehYJssEAMz9zT/8o95bIJ0vDQTcETHMbSaA=; b=Pa/+Hv5odm15Z+sLFzHtQNIhS9yPl8dqCYRRBl60XDscN9M7VWF2GcEw1hHE7F65Fv +RUwzfJx5634oaWKSxXIBjoGzgbaVkuEMh/W8yqq4j6HYjS7Znq5hhCoRISoMXWk9mNJ VyW2IBCGHtaowxeLEo8abFbrC+5mU1Dowa2V1LI/6dhpFfQ9VcEZSnMYC6jvy25GgxSs mrQS02aWIKaGcaGlUN3rNyFWowoWgfGbasrk8p0kxvvIaHSgvBeoCMQYJPeNtZC25diX iqFKCm4Scqtt6+dkoAggG1WMBJ4EXyuNEuXRRsBgLztddcP5e4bcA8gGVbpnXAPIQDdU Bb9A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlPvFrv/JpY+tuIfPdm1uA09TzNJkkvGDnTY06Ky81DJ/Xrq4qjTP3yh5Ms0SuDuBDUx/Wh X-Received: by 10.140.235.131 with SMTP id g125mr6003425qhc.85.1427208425703; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([172.56.21.231]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k84sm2803394qkh.48.2015.03.24.07.47.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <551178E5.3050309@rcbowen.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:47:01 -0400 From: Rich Bowen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Veto! Veto? References: <551041D1.7030501@rcbowen.com> <55112E35.1070902@les7arts.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 03/24/2015 06:43 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Shouldn't the sentence 'Any veto must be accompanied by reasoning and be > prepared to defend it. Other members can attempt to encourage them to > change.' then be removed fromhttp://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html? That sentence, and that sentiment, is incredibly important. Thinking that a veto is final, written in stone, and never to be revisited, is kind of damaging to conversation. -- Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon