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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9?= BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:47:13 +0100
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Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 11:28:22 Daniel Gruno a =E9crit :
> > - "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an u=
nusual
> > dark theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old o=
ne)"
> > (copy/paste of another feedback that perfectly summarised a feeling=
 I
> > could not express better)
>=20
> Heh, not really a technical argument ;-) But if people feel it's too
> dark, they are more than welcome to submit a patch for something ligh=
ter :)
yes, I'll try :)

>=20
> > - can we have a link to source? how can we submit patches? how can =
we test
> > for ourselves improvement ideas before submitting patches? This is =
really
> > a good start, but IMHO, if we don't have community involved in upda=
tes,
> > this new site will loose a great opportunity to have contributors (=
unless
> > it is a choice to avoid contributors)
>=20
> It's under the comdev banner, and as such, is available at
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/
great, I'll have a look

>=20
> > - why doesn't this use the CMS for some classical pages? Should not=
 some
> > parts of the old site be added to the new graphic content? While gr=
aphics
> > and generated content are great, I think that some handwritten cont=
ent
> > would be useful (to explain where data come from, for example, or w=
hat
> > happened to DOAP, or how to contribute...)
>=20
> All excellent points. If you check out the source, you can see that a=
ll
> doap files have been converted to JSON instead.
you mean that projects should not update DOAP files any more but these =
json=20
files? I really missed the info (and this means we should perhaps move =
maven-
doap-plugin to the Attic...)

> As for CMS, I don't see any reason to use the CMS compared to just
> editing it in svn - it's 4-5 pages, each around 10 lines of html, not=
 a
> 500+ page behemoth.
CMS has staging, no?
And perhaps the site is tiny because there is no easy editing: chicken =
and=20
egg. IMHO, this new site has great graphics, but it really requires mor=
e than=20
graphics. And the CMS could be part of the solution to do that.

>=20
> > - the idea of online editing is great, but not knowing what happens=
 behind
> > the scene, I fear to add sub-projects: what sub-projects should be =
added?
> > can sub- projects be removed if the addition gives unexpected resul=
t?
>=20
> A delete feature would make sense, yes. As for what can be added, tha=
t's
> really up to the project, just as it was with the doap files. If you
> feel something in your project is a sub project in itself, you can ad=
d it.
IIUC, the online editing just updates=20
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/site/json/p=
rojects/=20
?
Then editing these files is the way to track changes, or do what the on=
line=20
editing doesn't have any feature to do?

>=20
> > - what should we do with DOAP? Did I miss some explanations on priv=
ate@ or
> > dev@ ML from a project I'm working on?
>=20
> DOAP will be replaced by the online editing. We haven't contacted
> projects about this yet, but on the other hand, I don't think we'd ju=
st
> change the DNS without letting folks know what we were doing. It's on=
ly
> been in testing so far. Once it was on the path to becoming something=

> more official, surely projects would be included more.
what is great with DOAP is that there is a schema: is there something=20=

equivalent with json?

>=20
> But it also requires people other than me to chip in - I only have so=

> many hands and feet :)
now that we know where the source code is, I hope people will involve.
How do we send patches? To you in person?

Regards,

Herv=E9

>=20
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>=20
> > Please take this feedback as constructive feedback: I really like t=
he new
> > site, just need some little improvements to get out of beta and mak=
e a
> > public release :)
> >=20
> > Regards,
> >=20
> > Herv=E9
> >=20
> > Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 11:52:35 Rich Bowen a =E9crit :
> >> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> >> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> >> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two=
 sites
> >> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> >>=20
> >> [ ] +1, do it
> >> [ ] +0, whatevs
> >> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> >>=20
> >> --Rich