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From Noah Slater <>
Subject Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc
Date Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:47:25 GMT
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 at 18:46 Noah Slater <> wrote:

> Oh, thanks for the input Shane!
> I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be
> simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from
> harassment and so on, and those who've been spoken to about adjusting their
> conduct.
> A strikes system is one idea. So individuals get warnings for minor
> things, and are told to adjust.
> Beyond that, we might consider several things:
> - Temporary removal from a mailing list (or whether the behaviour is
> occurring)
> - Longer periods of removal or banning from the same
> - Removal from a PMC, or revocation of committer or member status
> People should know that we are perfectly prepared to expel individuals
> from our community who do not work with us to keep it a safe and welcoming
> environment for everybody.
> Removing from PMC and revocation of committer status can be done by PMCs
> themselves, should they be the ones enforcing the CoC. If not that, a
> recommendation from the Community PMC to the board to take the appropriate
> action. And failing that, for the Board itself to step in and take such
> action.
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 at 18:20 Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
>> On 3/25/15 12:00 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
>> > Yep, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to handle the governance
>> side
>> > of this. But I'm sure we can come to an agreement on this list soon.
>> Discussing here makes sense; it's public and there are plenty of helpful
>> voices that are likely to participate; plus this is a key thing we
>> should ensure that newcomers to our communities see.  This group should
>> definitely be able to get consensus on any updates and be able to
>> publish them - if board or President have issues, I'm sure they'll
>> weight in about the documentation if needed.
>> In terms of escalation and reporting, that's tricky, because we are both
>> a Delaware corporation and a volunteer-run community.
>> - For issues within one project, the best first place to escalate is
>> that PMC's private@ list, if the reporter is comfortable doing so.
>> - Otherwise, I'd say the private@community.a.o list would be an
>> effective place to report/escalate, because there are people here who
>> could help working within the community.
>> - Beyond that, we need board or President to agree on whatever further
>> "formal" contact address or escalation path we will support.  Barring
>> anything more specific, I'd start the recommendation being board@.
>> In terms of enforcement, there are plenty of different people
>> (especially Members) at the ASF who can help with enforcement on a
>> community scale, so any ways we can make it more obvious for how to
>> contact them/ask for help is good.
>> But in terms of true enforcement, that goes to the board.  Since PMCs
>> report to the board, it's up to the board to enforce any serious issues,
>> if it comes to that.  Specific issues with infra/press/brand, and
>> probably conferences (i.e. not issues within an Apache project) should
>> escalate to President@, because those officers report to the President.
>> - Shane
>> P.S. This is a good topic - reminds me of a question recently on
>> foundations list elsewhere asking what mediation/personnel issue
>> reporting policies that different Foundations have (or not have).

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