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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Veto! Veto?
Date Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:29:00 GMT
I'd like to suggest backing up from the point where Alex was commenting.

It is an Apache goal to build broad communities, not to build
homogeneous groups. That includes PMC as well as committers. To me,
this suggests that the community-building starts when the person shows

Hypothetical: a new person shows up. That person is contributing. That
person, at least in the eyes of some existing community members, is a
bit difficult. People in the community should be working, actively, to
help that person understand the values of collegiality and community
and to become, as a result, less difficult. So, by the time there's
any possibility of a discussion of PMC membership, that person should
be 'in the range'.

And I emphasize 'range'. There was a talk at Apache Con some years
back about the idea that civility goes in two directions: we all want
to express ourselves in collegial and civil ways, and we also have to
be prepared to accept communications from people with very different
styles, up to and including some that we might individually find
somewhat 'difficult.'

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