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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Veto! Veto?
Date Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:20:15 GMT
On 23 March 2015 at 09:02, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:

> When it comes to people, consensus (acceptance by unanimity) is the best
> thing to have. But if the ASF has as its principle that no vetoes are
> allowed, how can it be the remit of a project's PMC have it as its policy?
>

I think it is a matter of wording, I do not think it is a ASF Principle
(actually not sure how that relates to "policy") that veto is not allowed,
Consensus is the ASF Principle. We all want to avoid Vetos, for many good
reasons, but that it not the same as not being allowed.

As a Foundation we try to have very few rules and policies, and let the
communities handle how they want to do it, this here is surely
a case where we do not a foundation wide rule.

I would have no problem, if the wording on the page was something like "it
is recommended not to use Veto"

Pierre@ maybe just for my understanding, why would ASF be better, if we
make this rule foundation wide, instead of leaving it up to
the single community ?

rgds
jan I.


> Best regards,
>
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
> > Le 22/03/2015 14:42, jan i a écrit :
> >
> >> On 22 March 2015 at 14:35, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  HI Bertrand,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the clarification regarding
> >>> http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html
> >>>
> >>> Shouldn't http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html then also
> >>> explicitly
> >>> reflect that vetoes aren't allowed when it comes to on- and ofboarding
> >>> contributors as committer and PMC member? That would surely bring
> >>> clarity.
> >>>
> >>>  I would be very unhappy with "aren´t allowed", that is something the
> >> individual PMCs should decide !
> >>
> >
> > Yes indeed that's PMCs 's remit; we just need to clarify the ASF default.
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> >
> >
> >> rgds
> >> jan I.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Pierre Smits
> >>>
> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> >>> Services and Retail & Trade
> >>> http://www.orrtiz.com
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>> bdelacretaz@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> >>>> <jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> ...Thanks for the clarification Bertrand, this was also unclear
to
> me.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Should
> >>>>
> >>>>> we not amend the newcommitter page?..
> >>>>>
> >>>> That would be great, I don't have time right now myself.
> >>>> -Bertrand
> >>>>
> >>>>
>

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