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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: GitLab?
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:57:31 GMT
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Erik Weber <> wrote:

> Github without the web ui or the api wouldn't have the same effect as it
> has, it would basically be what we currently have..
Well, not totally, since GitHub allows random people creating random
projects and random people to host their forks of your project (look at
Rails) and publish that fact to the world. Yes, the web UI is paramount to
make that popular, but I agree with Mike that ASF should perhaps allow
strangers onto our infra, to stay relevant in the "next generation", who
never experienced "Pull Requests by "diff -u" in Emails"

> By providing a similar service there's nothing that stops
> (or whatever hostname gitlab would have) to
>  become the new ground where collaboration on Apache projects happen.

Agree, subject to "allow strangers", which indeed is a massive decision and
one that isn't "small reversible steps" that ASF normally cherish.

> I've worked on projects residing on without thinking much about
> it being there rather than on github.

But were you "invited through a system of meritocracy" or did you just
"created your own fork and hacked away" ?

I think GitHub has challenged a core value in ASF, discussed for long, and
I think ASF should consider the implications and adapt.

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer - New Energy for Java

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