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From jan i <>
Subject Re: Apache Way talks
Date Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:38:59 GMT
On 14 February 2015 at 20:03, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <> wrote:

> Louis, for independent data see
> This isn't about the ASF but about foundations in general.

I for one, have been confused about some of the discussions lately, that
have rattled my  fundamental beliefs in why I spent so many hours being ASF

I strongly favor someone telling me (and a lot of others), what are the
main differences between ASF and other equally good foundations.

Sorry to say it loud, but sometimes I feel we (ASF) are trying to do what
everybody want, instead of concentrating on what we are good at.

I have a feeling that we are standing at a crossroad where  many questions
like Directd funding, ApacheCON, entry ticket to ASF (Incubator/pTLP) tear
us apart, and I believe it is high time the members of ASF take a stand
(whatever it may be), and show we are ONE united in the APACHE WAY.

Just my feelings, sorry for disrupting in the higher politics.
jan i

> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts<>
> Sent: ‎2/‎14/‎2015 9:48 AM
> To:<>
> Subject: Re: Apache Way talks
> > On 14-02-2015, at 11:47, Nick Burch <> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> >> There is value in these sessions, some people are completely new and we
> probably should still schedule them. However, I think we ought to do some
> new stuff along the lines of:
> >>
> >> How is the ASF different from other foundations?
> >> Why should I bring my project to Apache?
> >> How can I get paid to work on Apache projects?
> >> How do I build a business around apache software?
> >> Why doesn't the ASF pay for software development?
> >> Why, after 15 years, do people see the ASF as a desirable place to take
> software?
> >> Why does the ASF have a reputation for bureaucracy amongst the younger
> GitHub crowd?
> >> Just what rules are immutable in the ASF?
> >
> > Looks a great list to me!
> >
> > My only comment is that these look like the titles of all the sessions
> from a Community Track[1], rather than the parts of an abstract for just
> one talk. Is that what you had in mind? Or do you think we can really fit
> all of that into a single session?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > [1] Or even a whole conference! Say, called something like Transfer
> >    Summit? ;-)
> are there easily available data showing the benefits of plunking a project
> in Apache? One could also use, I’d imagine, other measures of ecosystem
> robustness. Basically, some measure or set thereof that illustrates the
> comparative benefit of Apache—?
> Louis

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