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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: ApacheCon NA CFP closed
Date Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:22:18 GMT
It should be an LF call not an ASF one.

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From: Niclas Hedhman<mailto:niclas@hedhman.org>
Sent: ‎2/‎4/‎2015 7:08 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed

Regarding "commercial" or "advertising" presentations; Why should we reject
these outright? Why not allocate a track for corporations to present
whatever they like, in 20, 30 or 60 min blocks? And auction out those
slots. Either there is a market, or there is not... And/or combine them
with on-site sponsorship programs, of booths, give-aways and so on.
Stallman wouldn't do this, but we are said to be business-friendly, are we
not?

Cheers
Niclas

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:27 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 02/03/2015 04:11 AM, jan i wrote:
> >
> >> We should really make that clear to people, I strongly believe the
> general
> >> opinion is  non-project talks are not welcome. I base this on the fact
> >> that
> >> a number of talks for Denver and Budapest was rejected for being too
> >> company like.
> >>
> >> When I started helping a year ago, I had ideas about having 2 tracks (or
> >> the talks scattered around)
> >> - User (including companies) experiences with ASF projects
> >> - Companies presenting solutions based on ASF projects
> >>
> >> I quickly learned that that was not the purpose of ApacheCON, I am very
> >> trilled if that is the way we want to go because that is a real way to
> get
> >> AC to grow again.
> >>
> >
> > For several years, we had a strong business track, where the implications
> > of The Apache Way to business (legal, marketing, planning, community,
> > whatever) were discussed. This just took someone to step up and make it
> > happen.
> >
> > If someone comes to me tomorrow with a business track, complete with
> > content, we'll schedule it. Sally used to handle this, and with her
> > contacts was able to provide really strong content. There was indeed
> > resistance to this, because it's "not about Apache projects", but that is
> > very open to interpretation, and, in the end, it strengthened the
> community
> > as a whole.
>
>
> Once we get ACNA scheduled I will talk with Sally and also come  with ideas
> for early (before/during CFP) press releases for ACEU.
>
> I am very convinced that a business track, will sell more tickets and maybe
> also attract some new sponsors.
>
> rgds
> jan i
>
> >
> > But, we can't schedule talks that aren't submitted.
> >
> >
> >
> >> LF cannot market this message alone, they need clear public statements
> >> from
> >> us, that we want companies to come and present. I am convinced that if
> we
> >> (e.g. for ACEU) make early press releases about wanting companies to
> talk,
> >> tell it to LF, then we will be a lot more successful.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
> >
> >> If we just relax, and hope LF can lift that alone we will fail and keep
> >> telling each other how great projects we have ( which happens to be the
> >> truth, but maybe not the whole truth).
> >>
> >
> > Yep. If we keep talking to just ourselves, we'll ... keep talking to just
> > ourselves.
> >
> > --
> > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
> >
>
>
> --
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>



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Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java

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