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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
Date Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:15:14 GMT
The Apache Software Foundation has a requirement of open, public,
decision-making. The short-hand implication of those requirements is that
'discussions that lead to decisions are made on mailing lists.' Closely
related is the requirement that important functions take place on ASF
infrastructure.

I emphasize 'short-hand'. If a PMC wants to contemplate some alternative
technology that satisfies the underlying requirement, the PMC can
experiment with that; for anything radical, it's probably best to talk to
the board early and often -- who might reflect you to, say, infra@.

Many projects use other things and arrange for them to send email to the
list as the official record; such as JIRA. Personally, I think it's a
question whether a mailing list consisting only of a constant torrent of
notifications from JIRA, or some code review tool, really meets up with the
intent of the policy. The argument in favor is that any community member
sees all the traffic and can hoist themselves over to the tool to be an
equal participant.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Claude Warren <claude@xenei.com> wrote:

> I prefer the mailing list because it pushes new concepts to me.  Git and
> such requires that I work harder to get the information.  Most of the
> Apache mailing lists have a high signal to noise ratio.  And even the
> signals I am not interested in don't take that long to dispose of.
>
> Claude
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Benedikt Ritter <britter@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > over at the Apache Commons Project, we have a long discussion about our
> > mailing lists. Are they to noisy? Should they be splitted up into
> sublists?
> > Should individual components go TLP?
> > IMHO Ben McCann summed up the core problem pretty well [1]. Mailing lists
> > are simply a outdated tool from the 90s. They can not compete with tools
> > like github/gitlab that integrate the code with the possibility to do
> code
> > reviews, disucssions and bugtracking.
> >
> > Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing lists?
> Or
> > do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc. just
> > because this is the way it has always been?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Benedikt
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/message/iizay3mmf2msvaf2
> >
> > --
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> > http://github.com/britter
> >
>
>
>
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