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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
Date Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:21:36 GMT
On 18 January 2015 at 14:15, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Apache Software Foundation has a requirement of open, public,
> decision-making. The short-hand implication of those requirements is that
> 'discussions that lead to decisions are made on mailing lists.' Closely
> related is the requirement that important functions take place on ASF
> infrastructure.
>
> I emphasize 'short-hand'. If a PMC wants to contemplate some alternative
> technology that satisfies the underlying requirement, the PMC can
> experiment with that; for anything radical, it's probably best to talk to
> the board early and often -- who might reflect you to, say, infra@.
>
It will not lead to open decision-making if some project use different
medias than other, it
will complicate searching quite a lot.

If (and it is a big "if") ASF should change the mailing list policy it
should be done in a uniform way for all projects.

rgds
jan i

>
> Many projects use other things and arrange for them to send email to the
> list as the official record; such as JIRA. Personally, I think it's a
> question whether a mailing list consisting only of a constant torrent of
> notifications from JIRA, or some code review tool, really meets up with the
> intent of the policy. The argument in favor is that any community member
> sees all the traffic and can hoist themselves over to the tool to be an
> equal participant.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Claude Warren <claude@xenei.com> wrote:
>
> > I prefer the mailing list because it pushes new concepts to me.  Git and
> > such requires that I work harder to get the information.  Most of the
> > Apache mailing lists have a high signal to noise ratio.  And even the
> > signals I am not interested in don't take that long to dispose of.
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Benedikt Ritter <britter@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > over at the Apache Commons Project, we have a long discussion about our
> > > mailing lists. Are they to noisy? Should they be splitted up into
> > sublists?
> > > Should individual components go TLP?
> > > IMHO Ben McCann summed up the core problem pretty well [1]. Mailing
> lists
> > > are simply a outdated tool from the 90s. They can not compete with
> tools
> > > like github/gitlab that integrate the code with the possibility to do
> > code
> > > reviews, disucssions and bugtracking.
> > >
> > > Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing
> lists?
> > Or
> > > do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc.
> just
> > > because this is the way it has always been?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Benedikt
> > >
> > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/iizay3mmf2msvaf2
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> > > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> > > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> > > http://github.com/britter
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>

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