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From Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Managing zyz.apache.org (was RE: WELCOME to dev@community.apache.org)
Date Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:28:13 GMT
I think there is a performance difference between git and svn because with
git, you are syncing repositories, not files. Git is usually compressing
the repository before sending it over the network.
I did a little test with our website directory and pushed it to github:

git add : 7 seconds (17k files)
git repo size: 58 MB (du -sh in ".git" dir)
git push to github : 35 seconds (using the same internet connection as with
the svn)

I think we can achieve the same performance at apache using git for the
websites.

I agree with you that I should probably take a closer look into the CMS
external build feature. Using svn or git for 17k files is certainly wrong.
In particular because we add generated files (javadocs, documentation) to
the VCS which doesn't have any value.

I'll get in touch with Infra on a separate thread to resolve our website
issues.



On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:

>
> On 2015-01-08 09:55, Robert Metzger wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  If there is sufficient demand, however, that could change - the code that
>>>
>> would make this possible does exist.
>>
>> I would like to express demand from the Flink project. svn is a pain to
>> use
>> (since we host javadocs and our documentation on our website, the upload
>> usually runs for 6+ hours. Probably because its so many files).
>>
> How is that in any way related to svn? svn or git, if you have that many
> files, it's going to take ages to upload regardless of which repository
> system you use.
>
> If it makes it easier, you might peruse http://www.apache.org/dev/
> cmsref.html#external-build and see if you can't use an external build job
> for you site - that way, you just commit the changes to your template/raw
> docs, and the CMS system builds the javadoc for you.
>
>
>
>> Almost all incoming incubator projects are using git nowadays. Many of
>> them
>> use GitHub and the "gh-pages" hosting feature. I guess a lot of them would
>> appreciate a similar feature from the ASF infra.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Jay,
>>> It sounds like you have the CMS setup that is quite common in the ASF.
>>> If you would rather have straight-up svnpubsub, you can ask for it. That
>>> way, whatever static content you push to svn will instantly be shown on
>>> your web site without having to publish through the UI first.
>>>
>>> The main reason we do not support git in this workflow is that git does
>>> not enable single-file checkouts, and that we haven't properly tested
>>> gitwcsub (a git version of svnwcsub which is the frontend for svnpubsub)
>>> for web sites yet. If there is sufficient demand, however, that could
>>> change - the code that would make this possible does exist.
>>>
>>> With regards,
>>> Daniel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-01-07 21:29, jay vyas wrote:
>>>
>>>  thanks daniel...
>>>>
>>>>    here at bigtop we are 100% git based.  so having an svn account ,
>>>> just
>>>> to
>>>> push changes to a site, seems to slow us down alot.
>>>>
>>>> is SVN required  ? or is there another way?
>>>>
>>>> right now we have a system that uses maven, followed by svn and then we
>>>> have to approve the changes in the web ui.
>>>>
>>>> would rather just push static html pages to our git repo , the way we
>>>> push
>>>> everything else.
>>>>
>>>> are all apache projects using SVN or do some folks have an easier
>>>> workflow ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Essentially, github uses the same method as we do with svnpubsub.
>>>>
>>>>> Files are pushed to a repository and then from there pushed directly
to
>>>>> the web site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything specific about the github model that you think differ
>>>>> from how we do things?
>>>>> Apart from it being git and not subversion, obviously.
>>>>>
>>>>> With regards,
>>>>> Daniel.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-01-07 21:06, jay vyas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hi apache !
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats the simplest way to maintain the xyz.apache.org site?  Right
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> push to SVN, but would be great to use something like the github.io
>>>>>> model,
>>>>>> where the static pages are just hosted directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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