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From Pierre Smits <>
Subject Re: overhaul proposal
Date Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:35:06 GMT
See inline.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Alex Harui <> wrote:

> I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz
> community to just volunteer something instead of being asked.

To the best of my knowledge, the persons in the OFBiz community are

> Maybe the
> folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I
> wouldn’t even know what to ask for.

Asking the first thing that comes to your mind will get you answers. Might
not be the right ones, though. ;-)

> The project I’m involved in, Apache Flex, might also have the technology
> to improve a lot of things at the ASF.  Once the code I’m working on gets
> to a certain point, if I need more customers and want to test out the “eat
> your own dog food” principle, I may start offering replacements to some of
> the web experiences we have at the ASF.

I tend to agree. But you have the operators wrong. You are talking about
yourself testing the 'eat your own dogfood' principle. That is different to
'having someone else eat/test your dogfood'. That means you have to solicit
the willingness of others. And when there is no willingness offered and you
keep trying to push it down the throat of the other, the result you get is
not something you want.

In the case of the works of an ASF project for the ASF (the other), you'll
need - beside the willingness of the other - assistance/support from the
third party (INFRA, or someone else) regarding the provisioning of
hardware, etc . Unless you have unlimited resources yourself in that area.

Here in The Netherlands we have this saying 'The road to hell is paved with
good intentions'. I surmise, we can all recant the stories of the good
intentions abandoned and the effort these required to clean up the left
overs. How that eats into the areas with constraints (money, time, etc).

So it is better to investigate the potential success rate before endorsing
the resources you have control over.

If I can run a live PoC, it will
> make it much easier to sell and focus the conversation and maybe even
> garner more contributors.  And even if the ASF rejects it, I will have
> learned something in the process.  For sure, I will meter the effort I put
> into it accordingly so it isn’t a huge deal if it doesn’t get adopted.
Apart from the exchange of theoretical deliberations in this thread, there
are connections established between offices of the ASF and (a) third
party(ies) providing OFBiz services regarding exploration whether OFBiz can
be utilised with respect to some of the processes of those offices. And
OFBiz volunteers have offered their assistance.

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