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From Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
Date Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:31:23 GMT
On Monday, January 19, 2015, Benedikt Ritter <britter@apache.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Guys, don't get me wrong, but you're sounding like a bunch of old man
> talking about the good old days, where you did everything on the command
> line. ;-)
> I'm 29 and before Apache, I hadn't heard about mailing lists. It always
> felt clumsy to me. I know github and twitter. That's just the stuff my
> generation uses. I understand the requirements Phil brought up. But I don't
> think that mailing lists are the golden way to fulfill those requirements.
> And when people stop contributing because they don't like the tools we use,
> then we have a problem. No matter how fancy one can configure thunderbird
> rules... (BTW I'm using gmail for Apache Mails and it works pretty well.
> It's the only way I can have the same filters on all of my devices...)
>
> I like Benson's idea of improving the searching facilities. But IMHO this
> is addressing only part of the story. As I said before, what I love about
> github is, that everything is integrated with the code.


*and* it is integrated with email.

If you set up comment notifications you get emails for each comment, and
replying to the email comments on the pull request/issue/commit

I am not against additional views, just let me keep it all in my mail
client *if I choose to prefer a mail client for interaction*

It would be great if I had an easier way to interact with other TLPs
without subscribing, but mail is good enough for me... Not my itch to
scratch


>  ASF is about the
> code.


I though asf was community over code...

We may have some code, but we value the community more


> If there where no code, there wouldn't be any discussions. I don't
> think it would be to hard for infra to host a gitlab instance [1] or even
> get a github enterprise plan [2]. Everything would run on ASF infra, code
> would be integrated. I would be happy. We could set it up so that it sends
> an email to a mailing list for every code change/comment/ticket. Win Win
> situation ;-)
>
> Best regards,
> Benedikt
>
> [1] https://about.gitlab.com/
> [2] https://enterprise.github.com/
>
> 2015-01-19 6:41 GMT+01:00 Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com <javascript:;>>:
>
> > I'll certainly admit that I'm a "traditionalist". But I hope that I can
> be
> > credited with trying other things when they come along.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is no other format of communications that is
> > standards based and thus has all the necessary tools for being
> productive.
> > If there were I'd be happy to use it.
> >
> > My car has a cassette player, but I haven't owned a cassette for
> something
> > like 25 years.
> >
> > I do think that something better than email will emerge one day, but it
> > isn't around today.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dennis E. Hamilton<mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: ‎1/‎18/‎2015 9:20 AM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;><mailto:
> dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
> >
> > I think Ross's consideration also applies to the many folks who cling to
> > technology of the 70s (i.e., the Internet versions of News Readers) to
> > access and contribute to ASF mailing lists.
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com
> <javascript:;>]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 07:29
> > To: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;>
> > Subject: RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
> >
> > For me any alternative would still have to push everything into my inbox
> > where I can use a my preferred tools, each developed and matured over
> many
> > years, to help me process the volume of communications I need (filters,
> > archives, calendars etc.)
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > ________________________________
> > From: Benedikt Ritter<mailto:britter@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: ‎1/‎18/‎2015 4:35 AM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;><mailto:
> dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > over at the Apache Commons Project, we have a long discussion about our
> > mailing lists. Are they to noisy? Should they be splitted up into
> sublists?
> > Should individual components go TLP?
> > IMHO Ben McCann summed up the core problem pretty well [1]. Mailing lists
> > are simply a outdated tool from the 90s. They can not compete with tools
> > like github/gitlab that integrate the code with the possibility to do
> code
> > reviews, disucssions and bugtracking.
> >
> > Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing lists?
> Or
> > do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc. just
> > because this is the way it has always been?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Benedikt
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/message/iizay3mmf2msvaf2
> >
> > --
> > http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> > http://github.com/britter
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> http://github.com/britter
>


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