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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <>
Subject RE: overhaul proposal
Date Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:58:45 GMT
I'm on a real computer now, so I've taken another look at the deck you shared. It brings up
a few questions:

Where is the data stored? For example, slide 6 shows he "Offices" tab, this has buttons for
creating new members, offices, officers, projects etc. Where is this data stored and how does
it get into LDAP where it currently needs to be? Remember, this data drives a whole load of
infrastructure already we can't simply move it, it would have significant knock-on effects
to much of our infrastructure.

Furthermore, what are the benefits of changing the way we create and edit this data? Have
those benefits been drawn up in consultation with infra and the secretary who are currently
tasked with maintaining the data?

As I understand it Daniel's proposal is limited to presentation of this data. Your proposal
goes a step further and I'm not sure that the need to take that extra step has been identified
by those responsible for managing those processes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, those responsible for fundraising and trademarks have identified a need
to improve their data collection and management. I assume Sally has her tools that she uses
for media but they are not here at the ASF and we have no visibility into that data. Whimsy
is a tool that is definitely needed by the board and is functional. I don't hear anyone complaining
about it, but there is a single individual maintaining it.

All I'm suggesting is that this might be an ideal opportunity to divide and conquer.


Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Smits [] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: overhaul proposal

Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on the requirements
of the ASF.

OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (the works - as a result of
the project being an ASF), though primarily advertised as an ERP/E-Commerce solution by the

What kind of requirements do think about when considering 'that any ComDev member who wants
to help out needs to learn OfBiz'? You are thinking of how to use it? Or are your thoughts
tending towards development?

Prior to creating the presentation ( I created a new 'community' application
working out the PoC and functionality approaches and that was done easily. As easy was converting
some of the publicly available data regarding projects and persons and importing it. And that
I used to get the screenshots used in the presentation.

Yes, OFBiz can also be used for and within other functions/domains of the ASF. As was raised
in the recent past regarding fund raising and the book store. But also regarding the tracking
and tracing of the promotional materials of the ASF to 3rd party event organisers. How it
is used within the ASF is up to the board and its committees.

You seem to be suggesting in your last sentence that OFBiz (within the ASF) should be used
for the unstructured information and the associated processes of the ASF. For sure, there
are other solutions available within the ASF portfolio that cater such requirements better.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <>

> This requires that infra maintain a running instance of OfBiz and that 
> any ComDev member who wants to help out needs to learn OfBiz. Have you 
> consulted with infra? Can ComDev members be expected to learn OfBiz in 
> order to make a small tweak?
> It seems to me that whilst the extra functionality discussed here 
> would be very valuable there is a much steeper path to build g 
> something maintainable.
> I'd like to see approach this as a separate proposal from 
> work. OFbiz is likely to be useful to the Board 
> and various foundation commitees and for this reason I don't see 
> ComDev as being the right home or being the right target.
> As I said when you originally raised this I would recommend focusing 
> on a committee that tracks other data, data that is not currently well 
> structured. Trademarks, media, fundraising and are 
> all examples.
> Ross
> Sent from my Windows Phone
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