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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
Date Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:59:56 GMT
Sounds promising, but everything showed as inactive, with no traffic on the demo link provided.

The concept, as described, is good, I like Google groups because they are both a mailing list
and a forum. If HyperKitty is something like that then it might be a good option. I'm assuming
it continues to use standards based formats - unless I can keep the archives on my machine,
so that I can work while offline, I'm against any such solution (like Bertrand says this very
hard rule is limited to dev work, but like David said, we already have plenty of projects
using other solutions for other communications).


I'd be -1

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From: Rich Bowen<mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com>
Sent: ‎1/‎19/‎2015 6:30 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?



On 01/18/2015 08:18 AM, jan i wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I don´t like github/gitlab but agree it has advantages and disadvantages to
> mailing lists.
> One of the biggest and most important disadvantage is that not all projects
> use git and even less use github
> (even though admitted the number is climbing).
>
> I too find mailing lists outdated. Personally I favor forums, that offers
> the same as a mailing list,
> but do not require that I keep large archive on my computer just to be able
> to reply (a better version
> of markmail where I could reply, would really help here).
>
> I do think it is important that we keep the history, I have often searched
> in the archives for old discussions,
> but a forum offers that too.
>
> I would any day skip mailing lists, for a media that offers:
> - online archives, which allows us to send mails without breaking threads
> - is independent of any version control system (we discuss a lot of things
> not related to sources)
> - can replace all mailing list, focus here is on the private lists and
> foundation lists.
>
> Going away from mailing lists, would also mean not spending bandwidth on
> sending tons of email every day, might make some of the other services
> faster.


I've recently spoken with a number of people about HyperKitty, which is
an attempt to merge mailing list with forum. You use the interface that
works best for you - it's a traditional mailing list, but it has a slick
web forum front end if that's what you prefer.

Unfortunately, it's part of MailMan3, which is not yet released, so it's
not something we want to rely on. But something like that may be an
option in the very near future, and give us the best of both worlds.

See https://lists.stg.fedoraproject.org/archives/ for a demo.

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Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

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