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From Shashank Chakravarthy <shashank.chakravar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
Date Sun, 18 Jan 2015 17:14:09 GMT
Hi, 

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On January 18, 2015 9:57:44 PM GMT+05:30, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Benedikt Ritter <britter@apache.org>
>wrote:
>[snip]
>
>> Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing
>lists? Or
>> do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc.
>just
>> because this is the way it has always been?
>>
>>
>I absolutely loathe mailing lists:
>
>1. They *feel* like spam (Google often incorrectly identifies ASF
>mailing
>list activity as spam).
>2. They are difficult to parse (visually) and triage/categorize
>(subject
>line conventions help to some degree).
>3. They are often full of pages and pages of text, which could be more
>easily conveyed by a more succinct means, with the best option to
>provide a
>link to an external resource (which creates a slight burden on the
>composer).
>4. Long conversations often get forked, and are difficult to follow
>(esp.
>in tools like GMail which doesn't thread conversations natively). Even
>when
>not forked, they can be difficult to determine whom one is responding
>to
>when replies are interspersed.
>5. Outages and late-subscribers can get messages at different times,
>and
>dealing with backlog is not so easy.
>6. The archives are profoundly difficult to navigate and reference
>(though,
>that's specific to ASF archives, not necessarily generally true).
>7. Filters are useful, but have limited ability to address all the
>issues.
>8. Client-side identity management is a pain, when you have multiple
>email
>addresses for different purposes, and the mailing lists expose you to
>spam.
>9. Replying is inefficient and ugly, with different community
>conventions
>(top-posting, bottom-posting, inline-posting) on mailing lists.
>10. Message sizes when replying is often inefficient. Most people quote
>the
>entire previous message, including any previously quoted messages,
>indenting and wrapping, sending and storing redundant bits which are
>difficult to read anyway.
>11. Validating authenticity is a problem. GPG is great, but most email
>users use web-based email nowadays, and there is limited-to-zero
>browser
>support for adding digital signatures to messages.
>12. HTML is bulky, but there's limited other options for
>pretty-printing
>messages (email clients don't often... or ever... support markdown or
>asciidoc or similar markup).
>
>That said, I don't think it's that they are used "just because this is
>the
>way it has always been". There's plenty of important (and useful)
>reasons
>why we use them. Still, I do think it's an archaic and outdated system,
>which could be pleasantly replaced with an alternative. Aside from the
>fact
>that some people still prefer the mailing lists (my opinion may be in
>the
>minority), the problem seems to be that there is no simple replacement
>system which can be substituted.
>
>Of the mass communication forums out there, I think email and message
>boards had some good bits, but the modern social network (G+, FB, etc.)
>seems to have a reasonable hybrid approach to mass conversations, which
>allows threaded conversations, direct linking to topics, easily linked
>external resources (with preview), integration with other tools
>(email/SMS-to-post/reply), easily linking to an individual to whom one
>is
>replying, easily searched and categorized (hashtags), low burden to
>subscribe/unsubscribe, better identity management, integrated blogging,
>built-in individual and group chat, two-factor authentication, etc.,
>etc.,
>etc.
>
>While email may still have its pros, I *do* think it is archaic and
>lacking
>features which inhibit productivity. I think there are better
>solutions,
>and it'd be great if we had the resources to think about them and
>experiment with implementing them for the ASF.
>
>--
>Christopher L Tubbs II
>http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii

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