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From Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: A maturity model for Apache projects
Date Tue, 06 Jan 2015 23:36:55 GMT

> On 6 Jan 2015, at 18:09, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> These are *open* source.  Plotting strategy for marketing on a private list
>> has no place in Apache projects.  Private lists have very limited
>> appropriate uses and that policy has served Apache very well.
> 
> +1
> 
> jan i
> 

Say you are right. But in the “real world,” defined by personal experience and hearsay,
the result of such policies (and such tones in their articulation) is to have discussions
entirely off-list. Open source is meant to be a vehicle by which free collaboration is enabled
now and later. As we’ve surely discussed in the past, in different contexts (at least I
have; I can only assume that if you are reading this you have, too), there’s usually a tension
between what the world expects and what we would like to do in open source. And sometimes
the balance is against us.

louis

>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@apache.org
>> <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 06/01/2015 Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>> 
>>>> projects unfortunately have a tendency to use their private lists for
>>>> much more than committer votes and security issues, which I find is bad
>>>> practice.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you as a project had a competitor, possibly a proprietary one, would
>>> you discuss marketing strategy in public? Would you expect the same from
>>> your competitor? This is a purely theoretical issue, but some projects
>>> might be facing it. I don't have a clear-cut answer here. Maybe the
>> answer
>>> is yes, but in practice journalists expect to use confidential channels.
>> So
>>> press/marketing strategy might, and I repeat might, be among the
>>> discussions allowed on the private list. Marketing activities instead, as
>>> opposed to strategy, must surely be discussed on public lists.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>>  Andrea.
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.


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