Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ED2211393 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52419 invoked by uid 500); 25 Sep 2014 10:55:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 52234 invoked by uid 500); 25 Sep 2014 10:55:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 52221 invoked by uid 99); 25 Sep 2014 10:55:52 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:55:52 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: 76.96.59.211 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of jim@jagunet.com) Received: from [76.96.59.211] (HELO QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.59.211) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:55:47 +0000 Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vNtE1o0060xGWP85BNvSKe; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:55:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.199.10] ([69.251.80.74]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vNvS1o0021cCKD93YNvSCA; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:55:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: ApacheCon Austin keynotes From: Jim Jagielski In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:55:25 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9112F2EC-B968-46E9-BDBF-5AD065D30EB6@jaguNET.com> References: <5422C079.20004@rcbowen.com> <5422DF19.10207@rcbowen.com> To: dev@community.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411642526; bh=aKKKYUjA9WEGM8ybLUD+T9atzFz2ISFxOMooCWCt6Ko=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=EuwEEgeLY7v1z9Jb9VIanWXXtcxCjUcxxc51ZfIWFr86/g9Nri4qOIV8QJeDP6wv6 gsFwzrkTD0LzWE3XPaPMqXJKxL6K8die9iAdfdUqutU1QzaN2w8kobX5EAFs3HWbOM x4auq5IrjIggtv4ymtyCOCJ0TnCkN2iGZ4CnMikIFj5nn05vBRBufaDqhUuKsuq2vS J/YpWrh/OCthcJbuvLX9V7+GOT4oyyVrVaMGaZzYAeoUplGZrMQf1LuAvNSE1tSraF /HHTlztkIzJ+z4e15EePGauFzFyDj/QgSHwSqo3dOibMnvYAktS8SV41IbnTd5oX1z kpUvYRSnX8V4w== X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org What I like about Brian doing such a talk is that he was there at the start; he understands the ASF, the culture that built it and the culture it has. So any "this is what Apache needs to do" statement has some real weight behind it; I compare it to, for example, Mark Hinkle's keynote: nothing against Mark, of course, and I value his insight, but when a perceived "outsider" (or new-to-Apache) person sez "This is what Apache needs to do to survive", it's always taken with a little salt... On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:07 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> Agreed: How we got here is nice; where we are going (and >> where we *should* be going) is better :) >> > > Yes! >