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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:55:54 +0200
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Subject: Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
From: jan i <jani@apache.org>
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On 11 July 2014 14:45, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:

> The hat 'User' states that the following:
>
> They contribute to the Apache projects by providing feedback to developers
> in the form of bug reports and feature suggestions
>
> The hat 'Developer' states that the following:
>
> a user who contributes...
>
>
> In general, a user only consumes the work (the software, the documentation,
> the postings on the mailing list). They aren't active as contributors (in
> any way, within the community of a project). As soon as a user gets
> involved in a project (participating in discussions in the mailing list,
> posting JIRA issues, etc) he becomes a contributor to the project and its
> work. This person might be a developer or not, a documentalist or not, etc.
>
> Having the 'contribute' in both descriptions makes it ambiguous. Removing
> the aspect of contributing from the hat 'User' partly removes that
> ambiguity. Renaming the hat 'Developer' to 'Contributor', does the other
> part.
>

A user and a developer are two faces on the same coin, they both contribute
to the project but of course with different parts.

In AOO we get a lot of highly valued opinions, suggestions and error
reports from our users. These items are contributions. Once the users get
involved in the project, they seem get to be committers.

I tend to agree with you, that there are no reason to diferentiate
user/developer, problem is that the world in general does that.


>
> Subsequently, the hat 'Committer' could be redefined with following:
>
> A *committer *is a contributor, that was given write access...
>
> Actually a committer is quite a lot more, than just having write access.

rgds
jan I.

>
> Regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Eric Covener <covener@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > How can it be that 'Contributor' is not an official 'hat'-definition in
> > the
> > > (explanatory) pages of the ASF? While so much importance is placed on
> > > correct usage of terminology in projects and elsewhere, based on those
> > > pages.
> > >
> > > Shouldn't the document
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles be amended
> > (with
> > > respect to definitons 'User' and 'Developer) in such a way that it
> > reflects
> > > that?
> >
> > I don't think a generic "Contributor" adds much to that document. What
> > confusion about the term contributors would the hypothetical update
> > clarify?
> >
>

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