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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
Date Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:50:41 GMT
On 8 July 2014 18:45, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, you can't deny that I did propose an amendment to the by-laws a
> posting ago. :-)
>

Is there a reason why you are not consistent and apply the same to PMC ?
You have exact the same setup, anybody can propose and discuss a new PMC
candidate, but a PMC member need to nominate and start the voting process.

rgds
jan I


>
> Regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
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>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Issac Goldstand <margol@beamartyr.net>
> wrote:
>
> > No, because contributors aren't proposing anything as far as the ASF is
> > concerned.  They're just having a discussion.
> >
> > Until it comes from a member, it's not a nomination or a proposal or
> > anything other than a discussion.
> >
> >   Issac
> >
> > On 08/07/2014 15:44, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Taking into consideration that nominate and propose - in general and in
> > > this context - mean the same and that any contributor can propose
> > > potentials for ASF Membership, shouldn't the by-laws of the Foundation
> > > reflect this?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Ross Gardler <
> rgardler@opendirective.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, of course a community member can propose a member. As Rob says,
> the
> > >> nomination and election has to be done by the Members, but not all
> > projects
> > >> have existing members acting as the eyes and ears.
> > >>
> > >> Of course, not having members in a project community shouldn't impact
> > the
> > >> project since it is self-managing and membership is only a
> foundational
> > >> level thing. Nevertheless, the membership needs to be a good
> > cross-section
> > >> of our project communities.
> > >>
> > >> If a community member feels someone is being overlooked a mail to
> > >> private@community.apache.org will reach people who can add notes to
> the
> > >> member watch list.
> > >>
> > >> This is the right list for discussing what we look for in members.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: "Rob Vesse" <rvesse@dotnetrdf.org>
> > >> Sent: ‎7/‎8/‎2014 10:42
> > >> To: "dev@community.apache.org" <dev@community.apache.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
> > >>
> > >> Pierre
> > >>
> > >> Not unless one/more of those contributors is themselves a
> Member/Officer
> > >> of the ASF - see Sectopn 4.1 of the Bylaws
> > >> (http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#4.1) which states the
> > following:
> > >>
> > >> To be eligible for membership, a person or entity must be nominated
> by a
> > >> current member of the corporation and must complete a written
> membership
> > >> application in such form as shall be adopted by the Board of Directors
> > >> from time to time
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Therefore contributors of a project can't directly, I guess they could
> > >> talk to ASF members they know and suggest that person with the aim of
> > >> getting a nomination but not being a member myself I'm not sure if
> that
> > >> would be acceptable behaviour.  Ultimately ASF is a meritocracy and my
> > >> personal impression based on people who I know of who've become
> members
> > in
> > >> the past couple of years is that to become a member you need to be
> > active
> > >> across the foundation (not just within a small part of it) for a
> > prolonged
> > >> period.
> > >>
> > >> One thing worth asking is why the community you are involved in feels
> > the
> > >> need to have someone be elected as a Member?
> > >>
> > >> Rob
> > >>
> > >> On 08/07/2014 09:43, "Pierre Smits" <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>> Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community
> > >>> member to be elected as an Apache Member?
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Pierre Smits
> > >>>
> > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > >>> Services and Retail & Trade
> > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>

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