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From Pierre Smits <>
Subject Re: ComDev scope and lists
Date Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:06:46 GMT
For sure, onboarding of newcomers is important. Same goes for committer
relations. But how about contributor relations, mediation and such?



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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Brett Porter <> wrote:

> Hi ComDev PMC and other interested folks,
> From time to time, I hear someone suggest ComDev or its lists as a
> potential target for a foundation-wide activity that affects current
> committers. However, I've always thought of ComDev as being focused on
> "those that are not here yet", rather than those that are - as the monthly
> report starts, "The Community Development PMC is responsible for helping
> people become involved with Apache projects."
> Some roughly related discussion was held in in April 2013 [1] at Ross'
> initiation. However, it's not clear to me whether there was any decision
> taken in the end. If I look over the archives since, it's related to
> mentoring, GSoC, small events and ApacheCon, with one exception being a
> large release cadence discussion - which seems to confirm my expectation.
> The current composition of the PMC also seems to reflect people with that
> sort of expertise.
> Possibly it's just my personal bugbear, but my concern with sending
> traffic to a list that doesn't feel empowered to act on it is that it often
> ends up in discussion with very little decision making.
> In addition to this list, ComDev stewards, but that
> is much less frequently used now.
> I feel like the ASF is seeing a pattern where we need something like
> "committer relations", that can focus on providing resources and assistance
> to any committer, while not interfering with individual project boundaries.
> I'm willing to take up that initiative with others interested - but also
> quite happy to acknowledge it might be more overhead than value if existing
> groups can address that need. The first thing I wanted to do was clarify
> whether ComDev already feels like it has this responsibility in whole or
> part.
> So, my questions are:
> - have I read ComDev's scope correctly, or should it be expanded to
> include resources for current committers?
> - regardless of scope, how does the PMC feel about its lists being used to
> reach out to committers for discussion or updates?
> - what does the PMC see as the current purpose of vs
> this list?
> Thanks for indulging me :)
> Cheers,
> Brett
> [1]

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