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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?
Date Sat, 08 Feb 2014 22:44:00 GMT
If you want to have a faster release cadence, then I think the answer is
for _you_ (not Apache) to have a faster release cadence. It seems easy to
look at Apache rules for releases and Linux rules for releases (as an
underpinning for the features found in Git) and treat them as incompatible,
but I don't think they should be.

* Go and fork the project code on GitHub.
* Put your changes in there and PR them up into the Apache codebase.
* If others want to, they can PR the code to you, and then you can PR the
code up to the codebase (or the group of you could work as a community
preparing PRs).
* The one pushing into the Apache codebase needs to be confident that the
code is covered by CLAs.
* You can release in GitHub whenever you want.
* The Apache release happens less often and follows the rules.

We have some issues to 'defend' against:

* Trademark understanding so that a project's releases on GitHub do not
appear as being from Apache.
* Making sure the system is not used for exclusionary reasons (though
they'll often identify community problems as a root cause anyway).

It's no different than what commercial companies are doing already, either
by having internal forks or an 'upsell' public version; with both cases
taking time for patches to work their way back in. Why not have subsets of
the PMC doing the same?

This takes the legal arguments out and gets us more focused on the 'but a
singleton community is the apache way' gut unhappiness.


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