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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: tech@apache.org ?
Date Tue, 07 May 2013 17:01:05 GMT
It would be a shame to scrap the idea because we are presuming the worst in
everyone. That seems very anti-ASF to me. A better approach might be to
appoint "social" moderators (i.e. gate keepers of the civility) that reign
the conversation back in if and when things go off-track.

Also, we do have a code of conduct, ala Ubuntu:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/voluntary-code-of-conduct.txt


On 7 May 2013 17:34, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> > WDYT?
>
> I'm skeptical that it will work out well.  I'd expect the list to descend
> into
> shouting matches between warring tribes and to end up as an echo chamber
> dominated by the faction which can generate the greatest volume of email.
>
> On our dev lists, people have a tangible product to keep discussions
> grounded.
> Contributors are invested in what gets committed to the repository, and
> conversations are directed towards achieving a negotiated end.
>  Participants
> in the proposed general "tech" list won't be united by any such common
> goal.
>
> In addition, Apache has only weak traditions encouraging civility -- by
> design, in order to protect gadflies and encourage innovation through
> conflict
> -- and many abrasive people, from the bottom of the organization to the top
> and going back to the foundation's earliest days.  There's no "code of
> conduct" a la Ubuntu, and even if a core group of tech@ subscribers starts
> off by trying to establish a civil norm, they will be swimming against the
> current.
>
> On the other hand, if you're looking to create a list which might make
> members@ look pleasant by comparison, this could do the trick.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
>



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