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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: ?
Date Tue, 07 May 2013 16:34:45 GMT
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<> wrote:

I'm skeptical that it will work out well.  I'd expect the list to descend into
shouting matches between warring tribes and to end up as an echo chamber
dominated by the faction which can generate the greatest volume of email.

On our dev lists, people have a tangible product to keep discussions grounded.
Contributors are invested in what gets committed to the repository, and
conversations are directed towards achieving a negotiated end.  Participants
in the proposed general "tech" list won't be united by any such common goal.

In addition, Apache has only weak traditions encouraging civility -- by
design, in order to protect gadflies and encourage innovation through conflict
-- and many abrasive people, from the bottom of the organization to the top
and going back to the foundation's earliest days.  There's no "code of
conduct" a la Ubuntu, and even if a core group of tech@ subscribers starts
off by trying to establish a civil norm, they will be swimming against the

On the other hand, if you're looking to create a list which might make
members@ look pleasant by comparison, this could do the trick.

Marvin Humphrey

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