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From "Ross Gardler" <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject RE: Streamlining new committers info
Date Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:22:39 GMT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sander van der Waal [mailto:sander.vanderwaal@gmail.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2012 12:58
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Cc: ASF Site-Dev
> Subject: Re: Streamlining new committers info
> 
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Igor Galić <i.galic@brainsware.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Another idea that just came up in a BoF was to create more useful info
> > on the *main* page about what the projects do and how to get the one
> > you need: i.e.: I'm looking for a Database - it should be a Key-Value
> > store, in Java.
> > And you're down to 2 projects: DB, Cassandra
> >
> 
> The projects site that I mentioned at the BoF is this one:
> 
> http://projects.apache.org/indexes/pmc.html
> 
> This is probably depended on PMC-maintained DOAP files?

Yes (well committers to be precise), see the links on the left of the page you link to.

Behind the scenes it’s a bunch of Perl scripts and XSLT.

> Categories are in there but not as detailed as you'd like..
> Having all PMCs update these would be a pain I suppose.

The approach in building this site in the first place was to say if you don't do it you are
not included. If you don't update your files you won't remain up to date. It worked perfectly
well as you can see and is not just part of the normal process.

The trick is to build something that is seen as truly useful and demonstrate its usefulness.
If you can do that then PMCs will do what is necessary. Of course, the DOAP is in SVN so it's
just a case of submitting a patch to a reasonable number of projects to kickstart adoption.

I suggest you think about how wider benefits can be gained. For example, why not provide integration
with the ASF CMS so that projects can have an auto generated "related projects" page. This
means the projects see local benefit for the effort of maintaining their DOAP and thus it
is more likely.

Ross

> 
> Sander
> 
> 
> >
> > etc..
> >
> > i
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Just to add to that, our priority will be to look at what's outdated
> > > and make the documents generally more accessible for newcomers.
> > > The amount of information is overwhelming and for example a
> > > discussion with an ASF member over beer makes much more clear than
> > > ploughing through the website. So we think it'd be great if the
> > > documents can be as clear as that (without the beer :))
> > >
> > > Sander
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Igor Galić <i.galic@brainsware.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > >
> > > > sitting here at ApacheCon Sander (van der Waal), we'd really like
> > > > to streamline and de-duplicate the (new) committers info on
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/
> > > >
> > > > This is just to give you a heads up! If you see something in the
> > > > diffs or on http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/
> > > > you don't like or completely agree with, your input is absolutely
> > > > welcome!
> > > >
> > > > So long,
> > > >
> > > > i
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Igor Galić
> > > >
> > > > Tel: +43 (0) 664 886 22 883
> > > > Mail: i.galic@brainsware.org
> > > > URL: http://brainsware.org/
> > > > GPG: 6880 4155 74BD FD7C B515  2EA5 4B1D 9E08 A097 C9AE
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Igor Galić
> >
> > Tel: +43 (0) 664 886 22 883
> > Mail: i.galic@brainsware.org
> > URL: http://brainsware.org/
> > GPG: 6880 4155 74BD FD7C B515  2EA5 4B1D 9E08 A097 C9AE
> >
> >


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