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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Why no list of the comdev PMC itself on the comdev page?
Date Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:20:29 GMT
On 21 August 2012 17:02, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Ross Gardler
> <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
>> Further to Bertrand comment it's not the PMC that is important but the
>> people doing stuff.
>>
>> I'd disagree with the assertion "any other PMC", many of the PMCs I work
>> with don't have such list (of course it's easily available via foundation
>> pages if people want it).
>
> Well, if I revised that to 'some' I suppose there would be no argument

Not from me :-)

> -- but -- better yet -- many PMCs have some concept of 'the team' in
> their web presence . Should comdev? Not a rhetorical question; I could
> see arguments either way.

Like you I'm willing to listen to new arguments. This comes up every
time I start mentoring a new project and I am yet to see a good
argument for publicly stating "PMC member X is more important than
contributor Y" (which is what I believe such "team pages" do).
Consider that PMC Member X may be inactive and contributor Y may be
elected a PMC member in a couple of weeks. There are, as you say,
arguments both ways, for me the ones saying everyone is equal always
win out.

A more concrete example. The majority of work for this PMC is GSoC. We
have two admins each year and around 40 mentors appointed (and maybe
another 40 who don't get a student). In terms of hours of effort
mentors work harder but typically they will not be ComDev PMC members.
In terms of having to drop everything to solve a specific problem
quickly, or meet tight deadlines, admins work much harder. Personally
I'd rather just applaud everyone equally than try and say one is more
deserving of public credit than another.

Maybe I'm too much of an old hippie though ;-)

Ross

Ross

>
>>
>> From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness
>> On Aug 21, 2012 2:47 PM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Any particular reason why the comdev web page doesn't include a list
>>> > of the comdev PMC members, as any other PMC's page would?
>>>
>>> The problem with those lists is that they can easily get out of sync,
>>> it might be safer to link to
>>> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#comdev-pmc
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>>



-- 
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

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