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From Konstantin Kolinko <>
Subject Re: When would Jira be up ?
Date Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:31:57 GMT
2012/8/13 Daniel Shahaf <>:
> I think there are two separate problems here,
> 1) Given that an update was sent to committers@, is it ok to quote it or
> summarise it or mention its existence or non of the above
> 2) Where should updates be sent to
> The latter is being debated on infra-dev@.  The former I'm unhappy with
> quoting a committers@ annoucement wholesale, that doesn't set a good
> precedent for that (private) list.

There is a policy in ASF,

All PMCs SHALL restrict their communication on private mailing lists
to only issues that cannot be discussed in public such as:

    Discussion of

        pre-disclosure security problems

        pre-agreement discussions with third parties that require

        nominees for project, project committee or Foundation membership

        personal conflicts among project personnel

So I think that Infra members violate the above policy and abuse the
committers list, in the cases when the information is none of the
above.  The main motivation, I suspect, is that subscription to that
list is mandatory and it is the easiest way to distribute this
information to the most of the target audience.

I just point that committers are not the only users of ASF services.
>From community building point of view, it is bad to leave other
contributors in the dark.

This is not the first time when people ask on public dev@ lists  and
one has nowhere to point to publicly.  I think if such announcements
were dubbed by blog posts, it would solve the problem.

I could reply to OP in my own words, but I thought that doing that
will misrepresent the situation. My apologies.

Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko

> Katherine Marsden wrote on Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:39:49 -0700:
>> On 8/11/2012 11:07 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>> >Konstantin Kolinko wrote on Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 20:43:56 +0400:
>> >>2
>> >>The below is a quote from the e-mail that was sent to the committers@
>> >>mailing list yesterday by Tony Stevenson of the Apache Infrastructure
>> >>Team. I see that you are not an ASF committer, so you probably have
>> >>not seen it.
>> >Don't quote publicly stuff sent to private lists.
>> >
>> To what extent can/should committers communicate critical
>> infrastructure updates to other contributors?  Certainly it is
>> important to everyone, (most critically right now to GSoC students
>> like Siddharth  who face the suggested pencils down date today). Is
>> there a public place where non-committers can check for this
>> information?  I think would be
>> a great place to put this type of notice or just a note at the
>> bottom of the emails that it is ok to share with affected dev groups
>> would probably be ok.
>> Thanks
>> KAthey

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