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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project
Date Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:09:06 GMT
Hi Krista,

It's great to hear you find this attractive as a student, that's a
good sign from the proposed projects perspective.

With respect to participating in an internship I'm afraid this
proposal is not going to be much use to you since we don't know if it
will be funded yet, and even if it is it will not start until December
at the earliest.

However, all is not lost. The ASF is full of people who might be
willing to help you in return for your time. The first thing you need
to do is identify a project where you have something to contribute.
Start your quest at,
in particular see


On 25 June 2012 16:57, Krista Davis <> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am new to the community and have just been lurking on the mailing lists. I
> am a student at Kaplan University for Information Technology and saw this
> email about an internship type project? How would I apply to be a student
> participant in something like that? Kaplan offers a course as part of my
> degree program where I can use an internship as credit. The process is
> lengthy to get approved though. I would need to start soon in order to be
> about to participate next year. Any information would be great. Thanks.
> Krista Davis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler []
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:49 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project
> On 25 June 2012 16:23, Katherine Marsden <>
> wrote:
>> On 6/25/2012 5:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> In terms of deliverables from the project think of GSoC where the
>>> students get credits towards their degree rather than cash (Semester
>>> of Code rather than Summer of Code).
>> Thanks Ross for driving this effort. I always think it is great to
>> provide opportunities for students come into open source.  It is an
>> important part of their education that cannot be learned in the classroom.
>>  I have a question regarding the mechanics.
> Please note that these answers are *my* answers as just one of the proposers
> of the project. Other team members might have different views. The first
> three months of the project will be used to come to agreement over these
> items. If a mentor or an associate partner organisation is not satisfied
> with the mechanics as they are defined at this point then they simply
> withdraw.
>> Regarding the student credit,
>> will it be a simple pass/no pass like GsOC or a grade that the
>> students will get.
> I believe that, from a mentors perspective it will be pass/fail while from a
> tutors perspective I believe it is more likely to be a % grade.
> Tutors will use the public archives, students reports, delivered patches
> etc. to assign an actual grade and may overrule the mentors feedback..
>> Will the mentor have interaction with the professor regarding the
>> student's progress/performance.
> At this stage I'm making it clear to all potential mentoring organisations
> that their only commitment is the same as they would make to GSoC (i.e. with
> the student, their own organisation and a couple of simple questionnaire
> style reports).
> I expect that some mentors will be happy to engage with the tutors, to an
> extent but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority don't want to add
> unproductive work to their day. For this reason there is a funded partner
> who is tasked with bridging this gap between mentors and academics where
> necessary (that's me by the way).
>> Will it be the professor who will assign the final grade based on the
>> mentors input?
> In my opinion, yes. I don't think mentors should have any responsibility for
> this. In my opinion mentors should feel no responsibility to the student
> other than as a member of their projects community. If a student does not
> make it worthwhile for a mentor to spend time with them then that is the
> students/tutors problem, not the mentors. Similarly, the mentor should have
> no direct input on the students grading, this is unfair on both the mentor
> (who wants a students future career to depend on them) and for the student
> (mentors do not have the experience of tutors and thus don't know what to
> expect from a student).
>> think it will be important to make sure that appeals are going through
>> the organization or school rather than the mentor directly.
> Yes. There is a partner tasked with this activity (again, that's me although
> in the case of ASF projects it might make sense to defer to another member
> of the project team).
>> The matrix nature of the student  direction and assessments  will be a
>> challenge we haven't faced with GsOC but one I am sure we can handle
>> if we give it proper thought up front.
> Yes. Remember this is a pilot project and the academics involved will take
> the appropriate precautions to ensure their students don't suffer. Also
> there will be a period of planning, as described above. I intend to bring
> this planning to the ComDev list so that interested parties may comment.
> There is, however, no expectation that the ComDev PMC takes ownership for
> this part of the project (see above).
> Ross

Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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