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From Baifern Punyapat <>
Subject Re: Can the one proposing a vote cast his vote?
Date Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:59:15 GMT
เมื่อ วันจันทร์ที่ 4 มิถุนายน ค.ศ. 2012
Baifern Punyapat <> เขียนว่า:
> 2012/6/4, Dennis E. Hamilton <>:
>> @Herbert
>> In general, anyone should recuse themselves from voting or simply not
>> if there is concern for (perception of) conflict of interest of any sort.
>> There is no reason for someone calling a vote not to vote.  It happens in
>> governments and it happens in standard structures for operating
>> of various kinds.  Calling the vote is not casting a vote in those
>> either.  Calling for a vote (or initiating a [VOTE] thread) is for making
>> progress to a definite outcome and is technically not the same as voting
>> the motion.
>> The only odd case about votes is typically when someone is sitting as a
>> chairperson. In general, chairpersons (having not recused themselves) MAY
>> vote when the vote cast makes a difference in the outcome, but SHALL NOT
>> vote at any other time.  The chairperson is expected to remain neutral
>> only in the particular close case the chairperson may (but need not)
cast a
>> decisive vote.  I believe that is the rule that governs the conduct of
>> Vice President of the United States when sitting as the chairperson of
>> US Senate.
>> Of course, the procedures and bylaws of a specific organization will
>> determine how the specific combinations of cases are handled.
>>  - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Herbert Duerr []
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 04:50
>> To:
>> Cc: Ross Gardler
>> Subject: Re: Can the one proposing a vote cast his vote?
>> Hi,
>> I was wondering how other projects under the ASF umbrella handle the
>> question, whether the one calling a vote should always stay neutral or
>> whether he should be allowed to cast his vote.
>> Or is it assumed that the one proposing a vote automatically approves
>> his proposal with a +1?
>> I had found from the Avalon project that
>> summarizes the voting process very well. My particular question wasn't
>> answered in it though, so I discussed that topic with Ross Gardler,
>> where he gave some good advise and allowed me to share it:
>>> You should vote. Unless you formally record your vote it will not be
>>> counted.
>>> In some cases other factors might make your impartiality questionable,
>>> e.g. you may be nominating a new committee who is a work colleague. In
>>> such circumstances you may choose to declare your relationship when you
>>> make the nomination or when you vote. However, since everyone is an
>>> individual in the ASF this is not required.
>>> If there is a genuine conflict of interest you need to recuse yourself
>>> from the vote. This might happen in circumstances such as requesting PMC
>>> approval of the projects trademarks for an event sponsored by your
>>> employer.
>> Are there additional criteria one should consider or are there any other
>> opinions on this topic?
>> Herbert

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