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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Can the one proposing a vote cast his vote?
Date Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:59:49 GMT
Yes, I agree that the Robert's Rules of Order don't apply to a PMC chair, who might or might
not adopt such a practice for personal reasons.  I mentioned the conventional chairperson
practice by way of contrast.

In accordance with the Apache Way, it appears to me that [P]PMC deliberations are under a
"committee of the whole" principle.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Nóirín Plunkett [] 
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 23:16
Subject: RE: Can the one proposing a vote cast his vote?

On Jun 3, 2012 8:50 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>

> The only odd case about votes is typically when someone is sitting as a
chairperson. In general, chairpersons (having not recused themselves) MAY
vote when the vote cast makes a difference in the outcome, but SHALL NOT
vote at any other time.  The chairperson is expected to remain neutral and
only in the particular close case the chairperson may (but need not) cast a
decisive vote.  I believe that is the rule that governs the conduct of the
Vice President of the United States when sitting as the chairperson of the
US Senate.

This shouldn't apply in an ASF context - unlike the Vice President of the
US sitting as chair of the Senate, a PMC chair does not, as far as I've
ever seen, have a tie-breaking vote (if an ASF vote comes to a tie, it's
time  to go back to the consensus-building drawing board).

The PMC chair doesn't have special privileges in a code/release/invite new
committer situation, so I see no need for them to abstain or delay their

They may have special privileges when it comes to inviting new folk on to
the PMC, but in that case as they can technically (I believe) unilaterally
invite someone to join (pending board ACK), it seems silly to suggest that
they not vote.


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