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From "Krista Davis " <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project
Date Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:16:27 GMT
I understand that the project is only in its planning stages and that is
perfect for me. I will not be eligible for the internship course with Kaplan
until early next year. So, your earliest ETA date of December is actually
right on target. Kaplan leaves the chore of actually finding an internship
completely up to the student. We are responsible for the entire process of
submission to the Dean for approval. And, by the time December actually gets
here, I should have more programming courses under my belt and be able to
more fully contribute. I will be watching these emails to see how this
project works out and if it does happen; count me IN! Even if it won't
qualify for my Kaplan internship :)  Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [] 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project

Hi Krista,

It's great to hear you find this attractive as a student, that's a good sign
from the proposed projects perspective.

With respect to participating in an internship I'm afraid this proposal is
not going to be much use to you since we don't know if it will be funded
yet, and even if it is it will not start until December at the earliest.

However, all is not lost. The ASF is full of people who might be willing to
help you in return for your time. The first thing you need to do is identify
a project where you have something to contribute.
Start your quest at,
in particular see


On 25 June 2012 16:57, Krista Davis <> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am new to the community and have just been lurking on the mailing 
> lists. I am a student at Kaplan University for Information Technology 
> and saw this email about an internship type project? How would I apply 
> to be a student participant in something like that? Kaplan offers a 
> course as part of my degree program where I can use an internship as 
> credit. The process is lengthy to get approved though. I would need to 
> start soon in order to be about to participate next year. Any information
would be great. Thanks.
> Krista Davis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler []
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:49 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project
> On 25 June 2012 16:23, Katherine Marsden <>
> wrote:
>> On 6/25/2012 5:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> In terms of deliverables from the project think of GSoC where the 
>>> students get credits towards their degree rather than cash (Semester 
>>> of Code rather than Summer of Code).
>> Thanks Ross for driving this effort. I always think it is great to 
>> provide opportunities for students come into open source.  It is an 
>> important part of their education that cannot be learned in the
>>  I have a question regarding the mechanics.
> Please note that these answers are *my* answers as just one of the 
> proposers of the project. Other team members might have different 
> views. The first three months of the project will be used to come to 
> agreement over these items. If a mentor or an associate partner 
> organisation is not satisfied with the mechanics as they are defined 
> at this point then they simply withdraw.
>> Regarding the student credit,
>> will it be a simple pass/no pass like GsOC or a grade that the 
>> students will get.
> I believe that, from a mentors perspective it will be pass/fail while 
> from a tutors perspective I believe it is more likely to be a % grade.
> Tutors will use the public archives, students reports, delivered 
> patches etc. to assign an actual grade and may overrule the mentors
>> Will the mentor have interaction with the professor regarding the 
>> student's progress/performance.
> At this stage I'm making it clear to all potential mentoring 
> organisations that their only commitment is the same as they would 
> make to GSoC (i.e. with the student, their own organisation and a 
> couple of simple questionnaire style reports).
> I expect that some mentors will be happy to engage with the tutors, to 
> an extent but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority don't want to 
> add unproductive work to their day. For this reason there is a funded 
> partner who is tasked with bridging this gap between mentors and 
> academics where necessary (that's me by the way).
>> Will it be the professor who will assign the final grade based on the 
>> mentors input?
> In my opinion, yes. I don't think mentors should have any 
> responsibility for this. In my opinion mentors should feel no 
> responsibility to the student other than as a member of their projects 
> community. If a student does not make it worthwhile for a mentor to 
> spend time with them then that is the students/tutors problem, not the 
> mentors. Similarly, the mentor should have no direct input on the 
> students grading, this is unfair on both the mentor (who wants a 
> students future career to depend on them) and for the student (mentors 
> do not have the experience of tutors and thus don't know what to expect
from a student).
>> think it will be important to make sure that appeals are going 
>> through the organization or school rather than the mentor directly.
> Yes. There is a partner tasked with this activity (again, that's me 
> although in the case of ASF projects it might make sense to defer to 
> another member of the project team).
>> The matrix nature of the student  direction and assessments  will be 
>> a challenge we haven't faced with GsOC but one I am sure we can 
>> handle if we give it proper thought up front.
> Yes. Remember this is a pilot project and the academics involved will 
> take the appropriate precautions to ensure their students don't 
> suffer. Also there will be a period of planning, as described above. I 
> intend to bring this planning to the ComDev list so that interested
parties may comment.
> There is, however, no expectation that the ComDev PMC takes ownership 
> for this part of the project (see above).
> Ross

Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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