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From "Krista Davis " <kallystanuri...@gmail.com>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project
Date Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:57:31 GMT
Hello,
I am new to the community and have just been lurking on the mailing lists. I
am a student at Kaplan University for Information Technology and saw this
email about an internship type project? How would I apply to be a student
participant in something like that? Kaplan offers a course as part of my
degree program where I can use an internship as credit. The process is
lengthy to get approved though. I would need to start soon in order to be
about to participate next year. Any information would be great. Thanks.
Krista Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgardler@opendirective.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:49 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Participate in another GSoC like project

On 25 June 2012 16:23, Katherine Marsden <kmarsdenderby@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 6/25/2012 5:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>
>> In terms of deliverables from the project think of GSoC where the 
>> students get credits towards their degree rather than cash (Semester 
>> of Code rather than Summer of Code).
>
>
> Thanks Ross for driving this effort. I always think it is great to 
> provide opportunities for students come into open source.  It is an 
> important part of their education that cannot be learned in the classroom.
>
>  I have a question regarding the mechanics.

Please note that these answers are *my* answers as just one of the proposers
of the project. Other team members might have different views. The first
three months of the project will be used to come to agreement over these
items. If a mentor or an associate partner organisation is not satisfied
with the mechanics as they are defined at this point then they simply
withdraw.

> Regarding the student credit,
> will it be a simple pass/no pass like GsOC or a grade that the 
> students will get.

I believe that, from a mentors perspective it will be pass/fail while from a
tutors perspective I believe it is more likely to be a % grade.
Tutors will use the public archives, students reports, delivered patches
etc. to assign an actual grade and may overrule the mentors feedback..

> Will the mentor have interaction with the professor regarding the 
> student's progress/performance.

At this stage I'm making it clear to all potential mentoring organisations
that their only commitment is the same as they would make to GSoC (i.e. with
the student, their own organisation and a couple of simple questionnaire
style reports).

I expect that some mentors will be happy to engage with the tutors, to an
extent but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority don't want to add
unproductive work to their day. For this reason there is a funded partner
who is tasked with bridging this gap between mentors and academics where
necessary (that's me by the way).

> Will it be the professor who will assign the final grade based on the 
> mentors input?

In my opinion, yes. I don't think mentors should have any responsibility for
this. In my opinion mentors should feel no responsibility to the student
other than as a member of their projects community. If a student does not
make it worthwhile for a mentor to spend time with them then that is the
students/tutors problem, not the mentors. Similarly, the mentor should have
no direct input on the students grading, this is unfair on both the mentor
(who wants a students future career to depend on them) and for the student
(mentors do not have the experience of tutors and thus don't know what to
expect from a student).

> think it will be important to make sure that appeals are going through 
> the organization or school rather than the mentor directly.

Yes. There is a partner tasked with this activity (again, that's me although
in the case of ASF projects it might make sense to defer to another member
of the project team).

> The matrix nature of the student  direction and assessments  will be a 
> challenge we haven't faced with GsOC but one I am sure we can handle 
> if we give it proper thought up front.

Yes. Remember this is a pilot project and the academics involved will take
the appropriate precautions to ensure their students don't suffer. Also
there will be a period of planning, as described above. I intend to bring
this planning to the ComDev list so that interested parties may comment.
There is, however, no expectation that the ComDev PMC takes ownership for
this part of the project (see above).

Ross


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