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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Apache Extras Question
Date Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:30:57 GMT
Hi Shane,

Thanks for the reply. In the end I just went with org.apacheextras.*

To be honest, I think it would have been OK IMHO to use org.apache.*
(though I know not everyone shares that opinion) but as I said, I don't
directly have a voice in setting that type of policy. If, however, someday
I do, I'll bring it up then.

In the meanwhile all is well. The VOTE on the name of the oodt-pushpull-plugins
at extras is done and passed, so the PMC is OK with it. Then, with the org.apacheextras.*
package names, I think we're fine. 

Cheers,
Chris

On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:

> Neat, I took a mental vacation on this issue, and it's mostly done when 
> I come back to the thread!
> 
> Trademarks and brand are primarily about the primary name of a product, 
> not classnames or package names.  So unless your project is called 
> org.apache.SuperThing on the home page, the package name is of much less 
> importance in the trandmark world than what you do say on your 
> homepage/download page - presumably "Get Apache SuperThing!".
> 
> Apache Extras projects must not use the name "Apache" in their branding; 
> i.e. to describe their projects or products.  Similarly, they must not 
> use the same name as an Apache project or product, without having a very 
> clear separation, a'la the Powered By guidelines.
> 
> Apache Extras projects probably should be able to use the 
> org.apacheextras.* package name; I think along with the rest of the 
> Apache Extras site guidelines, that keeps a sufficient "distance" with 
> their projects.
> 
> Apache Extras projects must not create their own org.apache.* package 
> names for their own projects.  While this is not the same level of 
> importance as the overall Extras SuperStuff primary brand name, it is 
> still inappropriate for Apache Extras projects to create new 
> org.apache.SuperStuff packages.
> 
> Apache Extras probably can have some *existing* org.apache.SuperThing 
> packages in their source tree, *if* they come from the actual Apache 
> SuperThing project itself.
> 
> The point here is that Extras projects should not create new 
> org.apache.* packages: that would imply their new SuperStuff is an 
> official Apache bit of code (which it isn't).  But if they happen to 
> want to fork some of our org.apache.SuperThing code, and incorporate it 
> into their SuperStuff product, that's generally OK.
> 
> Does that all make sense?
> 
> - Shane
> 
> Sorry for the delay, but I was really burnt out on policy issue thinking 
> over the holidays.
> 
> On 2012-01-02 10:14 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>> Hey Nóirín et al.,
>> 
>> Happy New Year! I've went ahead and updated my patch
>> on COMDEV-65 [1] with information on the org.apacheextras
>> namespace and with the suggestion to get further information
>> from the responsible Project Management Committees and
>> from ComDev PMC in general. I also changed Project Committees
>> to Project Management Committees per Nóirín's advice.
>> 
>> I also went ahead and (a) started a VOTE thread with the OODT
>> PMC on the naming of oodt-pushpull-plugins at Apache Extras [2];
>> and (b) updated the package names on [2] to match org.apacheextras.
>> 
>> With that, I'm considering this matter closed.
>> 
>> Thanks for the advice everyone and best wishes in the New Year.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-65
>> [2] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/oodt-pushpull-plugins/
>> 
>> On Dec 30, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>  wrote:
>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> I was talking with Greg, and I think I'm OK with org.apacheextras as
>>>> the namespace.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your patience :-) I wasn't trying to discount your
>>> proposals, and I appreciate that you'd created a patch--I was just
>>> trying to understand the reasons you disliked the org.apacheextras.*
>>> proposal.
>>> 
>>> If your conversation with Greg is easy to summarize, it might be worth
>>> documenting why this proposal ended up being ok for you--but if you
>>> just want to get back to writing code, that's fine too :-)
>>> 
>>>> It sounds like Noirin thought that was cool and so did Mark S.
>>>> Are folks here on ComDev cool with that namespace for our Extras
>>>> projects? If so, I'll update my COMDEV-65 patch with docs stating that
>>>> and document it and move forward.
>>> 
>>> Tiny nit on the patch: we have project management committees, not
>>> project committees :-) (Hey, at least I read it, right? :-))
>>> 
>>>> I'm also of the mindset that the PMC should be the ones saying
>>>> if they are OK with my oodt-pushpull-plugins Extras name and
>>>> to me it should be fine if the PMC is OK with that. I can update
>>>> the FAQ/guidelines to state that.
>>> 
>>> My very vague recollection from when Apache Extras was booting up was
>>> that we didn't want "official PMC-sanctioned projects" to have special
>>> status there. I'd give this one a day or two to collect more input
>>> before updating anything.
>>> 
>>> Noirin
>> 
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 
> 


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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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