Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F618BFB2 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25003 invoked by uid 500); 31 Dec 2011 15:07:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 24917 invoked by uid 500); 31 Dec 2011 15:07:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 24909 invoked by uid 99); 31 Dec 2011 15:07:22 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:07:22 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of bimargulies@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.170] (HELO mail-we0-f170.google.com) (74.125.82.170) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:07:15 +0000 Received: by wera13 with SMTP id a13so7606795wer.29 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:06:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ag21hMu2anJ3KatN5X64bGX6Ffv+8NMj11Clwf6BO1Y=; b=se77v/kf7UrdW2tHZYZ7TOREqB6BbzXCQRhQTY4vCBr7Yt2m7gF69+9uprvRMTLu1s DLPor2LilCswJ6Yoyp/V+44e4eaURQqZ0pm1Tc5aYXT0WEX/t2473gDjMTluejbcyJ9y XrKJtpg2Kf11GtaqnWF6+Rvrl4INhu2BuV+VQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.136.94 with SMTP id v72mr14108262wei.43.1325344014656; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.93.5 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:06:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <15F56445-F5E3-4EBB-BAE4-71A7B973F294@jpl.nasa.gov> <983E76DE-3218-482D-B978-C1BD72A212B1@jpl.nasa.gov> <1325190214.13347.YahooMailNeo@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0F2CB17A-FB5D-4BBE-9789-A115D12C60F2@jpl.nasa.gov> <1325191807.5131.YahooMailNeo@web27807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache Extras Question From: Benson Margulies To: dev@community.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Nick Burch wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: >> >> Second, I wonder about the proposed governance and logic of this whole >> 'java package id rules' business. Here's a scenario: someone from >> outside Apache fills out the form, creates a project, and *forks some >> Apache project into it.* Bingo, 'org.apache.*'. What group of >> volunteers is signed up to notice and police this? > > > Isn't that covered by clauses 4.2-4.4 and 6 of the license? I thought that > if you forked an Apache licensed project, then you need to flag up the > changes (4.2) and attribute where it came from (4.3/4.4), plus you're > restricted in what you can call the fork (6). 4.2? http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt has 4 (a) - 4(d). They concern redistribution. It's entirely unclear to me whether forking the source constitutes redistribution. Even if it does, that wouldn't change the question at hand. (6) is the trademark question, which remains: is using an org.apache Java package name a usage of a trademark, and if we took that attitude, where would we find 1000 monkeys on typewriters to create all the email complaining of infringement? > > Nick