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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:08:49 -0800
Subject: Re: Apache Extras Question
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Hey Christian,

On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> [...snip...]
>>=20
>> To avoid that nuclear option, I proposed 2 concrete suggestions and even=
 volunteered
>> to work up a patch that implements the one with less sweeping change. IO=
W, I
>> offered to put my money where my mouth was and do the work to update the=
 docs.
>>=20
>> Sound good?
>=20
> For me yes, but I am just a lurker on this list. But are you sure this
> issue is apache-extras related? It boils down to: are other people
> allowed to use the org.apache namespace or not.

Yeah I know there is a larger question here -- one in which I'm trying
to avoid b/c I'm simply trying to solve my smaller question :-)

> Maybe this is
> trademark related? If others are not allowed, then many projects must
> rename their spaces. if others are allowed, then there can not be such
> a policy as "do not use org.a namespace" for apache-extras.

My guess is that the ASF has neither the resources, nor the energy,=20
nor the time to desire to police everyone's forks of Apache projects
on Github, etc., that leverage the org.apache.* namespace (which there
are plenty, even enabled by the ASF's own mirroring of our project's=20
at Github). By precedent, I'm inclined to agree with you and state that
we already allow this. I could have just gone about my business, given
this assumption, but I came to this list to try and be a good ASF citizen
and member and state that I think stuff like this should be find.

And further, I'm going to state that I didn't go to Github first, which is=
=20
*totally* not associated with the ASF at all. I went to our supposed
"Extras" site which I'm learning is not that at all.=20

I'd like to make it "that" however and stated 2 proposals for getting there=
.
I'm inclined to go with my 2nd proposal, and simply update the docs
on the FAQ to state that if the PMC is OK with a situation that is outside =
of
3.1 and 3.2, then there should be a VOTE/recorded result on the=20
mailing list by the PMC, and then that's an exception (documented)
to the standard rule.

>=20
> Probably you should include Shane too?

CC'ing trademarks and pointing them to [1] for the full conversation
history.

Cheers,
Chris

[1] http://s.apache.org/EZ7

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