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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
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CC: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:11:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Apache Extras Question
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BTW, I just updated the code at [1] to use org.apacheextras and also
updated the description of the project to make it clear that it's not Apach=
e
releases nor is it Apache code.=20

Cheers,
Chris

[1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/oodt-pushpull-plugins/

On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>=20
> I was talking with Greg, and I think I'm OK with org.apacheextras as
> the namespace.=20
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> It sounds like Noirin thought that was cool and so did Mark S.
> Are folks here on ComDev cool with that namespace for our Extras
> projects? If so, I'll update my COMDEV-65 patch with docs stating that
> and document it and move forward.=20
>=20
> I'm also of the mindset that the PMC should be the ones saying=20
> if they are OK with my oodt-pushpull-plugins Extras name and=20
> to me it should be fine if the PMC is OK with that. I can update
> the FAQ/guidelines to state that.=20
>=20
> Sound good?
>=20
> Cheers,
> Chris
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> On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:32 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
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>> Hi N=F3ir=EDn,
>>=20
>> On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:21 PM, N=F3ir=EDn Plunkett wrote:
>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Mark Struberg had another concrete suggestion: kudos to him for propos=
ing using
>>>> org.apachextras.oodt (implied). I could live with that, but don't beli=
eve I (or anyone else)
>>>> should have to.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I strongly prefer Mark's suggestion, and I'd like to hear more about
>>> why you think you shouldn't have to "live with it".
>>=20
>> Because I suggested 2 other concrete alternatives as well and I prefer
>> those. I also created an issue [1] and attached a patch there that
>> implements my suggested update to the FAQ/Guidelines.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> You question what we are doing "if our own PMCs can't start up a
>>> project on Apache Extras and use org.apache.* as a namespace", and I
>>> agree that we may not be clear on exactly what the advantage of Apache
>>> Extras is over Google Code, GitHub, or wherever else.
>>=20
>> +1, precisely.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> But our own PMCs can't start up a project on Apache Extras (or
>>> anywhere else) and call it an official Apache release either, and to
>>> me, that's the line that decides (socially) what can or can't use the
>>> org.apache.* namespace. (And, afaict, this *is* a social/policy
>>> question, not a legal or technical one.)
>>=20
>> I've not once proposed to call the code for OODT CAS PushPull on Apache =
Extras=20
>> an Apache release. In fact, pretty much the whole time, I've stated
>> that it's _not_ an Apache release and that it's _not_ official Apache co=
de. I'm not
>> debating that.
>>=20
>> That doesn't however, mean that it's not strongly related to the org.apa=
che.oodt
>> namespace, and doesn't in my mind mean that we shouldn't be able to use =
it
>> in a project on extras. Christian G. really summed up my point. There ar=
e
>> many forks of Apache code, our real projects out there in people's Githu=
b
>> accounts -- are we really policing them for using the namespace? I'm not=
 proposing
>> anything nefarious here. I'm proposing to leverage Extras for what I tho=
ught was
>> the strong closeness with Apache code by declaring that closeness with
>> the namespace.
>>=20
>> I've created an issue [1] and attached a patch to that issue with a docu=
mentation
>> update that I feel implements my concrete suggestion #2.=20
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>=20
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-65
>>=20
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>=20
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> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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