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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:50:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
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Subject: Re: Apache Extras Question
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> they include runtime dependencies (via Maven2) on LGPL code. =0A=0A=0ASor=
ry, I think I just misunderstood your scenario.=0A=0AIf it's just runtime l=
inked to a LGPL project then all is fine and you can have your stuff ALv2.=
=0A=0A=0ABut there are other projects around which will need to use GPL I f=
ear :/=0A=0A=0A=0A> Super +1000. That's what I'm rapidly realizing. Why the=
 heck did we =0A> associate ourselves with Apache Extras if it's just Googl=
e Code?=0A=0ABasically I like the apacheextras idea, but it _must_ be made =
clear that apacheextras has it's own rules which are _not_ ASF business.=0A=
The current http://apacheextras.org is really bad in this regard, because i=
t's just a redirect to google.code showing a plain page with a few projects=
 listed on it.=0A=0ALieGrue,=0Astrub=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=
-=0A> From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>=0A> =
To: "dev@community.apache.org" <dev@community.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <s=
truberg@yahoo.de>=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:36 PM=0A=
> Subject: Re: Apache Extras Question=0A> =0A> Hi Mark,=0A> =0A> On Dec 29,=
 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:=0A> =0A>>>  If you are saying this=
 is compatible with ALv2 ? Then why use Apache=0A>>>  Extras instead of jus=
t the oodt SVN official repo in Apache ?=0A>> =0A>>  But that's exactly the=
 point! It is NOT ALv2 because it seems that =0A> Chris' project compiles a=
gainst GPL sources and thus also must be GPL =0A> licensed.=0A> =0A> Yeah I=
 wasn't sure of that. I would say my 4 Java files are ALv2 licensed, =0A> b=
ut that=0A> they include runtime dependencies (via Maven2) on LGPL code. I'=
m not a =0A> license expert, but=0A> I thought that would be OK. I know you=
 have a TON of open source legal knowledge=0A> and have respected your opin=
ion on it for a while so you tell me.=0A> =0A>> =0A>>  Would it be possible=
 to have it under the package org.apacheextras ?=0A> =0A> Yeah I thought ab=
out that too. I'd be ~ok with that compromise but still=0A> question what w=
e are doing if our own PMCs can't start up a project on =0A> Apache Extras =
and use org.apache.* as a namespace.=0A> =0A>>  If we don't even allow that=
, then we can just close down =0A> apacheextras.org - because then there is=
 no use for it imo.=0A> =0A> Super +1000. That's what I'm rapidly realizing=
. Why the heck did we =0A> associate=0A> ourselves with Apache Extras if it=
's just Google Code?=0A> =0A> I'd go further and say if my 2 concrete propo=
sals are shut down I'll =0A> likely =0A> just take the oodt-pushpull-plugin=
s project down, throw it up on Github or =0A> something =0A> under my perso=
nal account, change the namespaces to something nice and =0A> snarky like o=
rg.apacheextrassucks.anotherapacheprojecttogit.* *grin*=0A> =0A>> =0A>>  Of=
 course this all implies that apacheextras will make a prominent =0A> menti=
oning that apacheextras !=3D ASF and apacheextras might not only contain AL=
v2 =0A> licensed sources but also others.=0A> =0A> Yeah, precisely. Thanks =
for getting what I was saying Mark!=0A> =0A> Cheers,=0A> Chris=0A> =0A>> =
=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>>  ----- Original Message -----=0A>>>  From: Luciano =
Resende <luckbr1975@gmail.com>=0A>>>  To: dev@community.apache.org=0A>>>  C=
c: =0A>>>  Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:13 PM=0A>>>  Subject: Re: Ap=
ache Extras Question=0A>>> =0A>>>  On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mattma=
nn, Chris A (388J)=0A>>>  <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:=0A>>>>  (r=
emoving community@ from the CC list; aren't we trying to kill =0A> that =0A=
>>>  thread?)=0A>>>> =0A>>>>  Hi Ross,=0A>>>> =0A>>>>  Thanks for replying.=
 Comments below:=0A>>>> =0A>>>>  On Dec 29, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Ross Gardler=
 wrote:=0A>>>>  [...snip...]=0A>>>> =0A>>>>>> =0A>>>>>>  It's my understand=
ing that anyone can start up a =0A> project at =0A>>>  Apache Extras,=0A>>>=
>>>  in which case, if that person doesn't have an availid =0A> here at =0A=
>>>  the ASF, and=0A>>>>>>  doesn't have an ICLA on file, then that's anoth=
er =0A>>>  situation that I won't=0A>>>>>>  speculate on. What I'm much mor=
e interested in is in =0A> the =0A>>>  situation I presented=0A>>>>>>  with=
in this thread. I have an availid. I am an ASF member. =0A> I was =0A>>>  l=
ooking=0A>>>>>>  at Apache Extras as a place to share some Apache OODT =0A>=
 plugins that=0A>>>>>>  leverage code that is LGPL licensed, that I couldn'=
t =0A> otherwise =0A>>>  share within=0A>>>>>>  the normal Apache OODT SVN =
home. Prior to me coming to =0A> Apache =0A>>>  Extras,=0A>>>>>>  this has =
been code housed in an internal JPL SVN repository =0A> for =0A>>>  years, =
even=0A>>>>>>  before we brought the software to Apache. I'd like to =0A> u=
se =0A>>>  Apache Extras to=0A>>>>>>  facilitate sharing with an even broad=
er community and to =0A> share the =0A>>>  plugins=0A>>>>>>  we've develope=
d (which themselves are ALv2 licensed) =0A> with =0A>>>  others.=0A>>>>> =
=0A>>>>>  The ASF does not release code under any license other than the =
=0A> Apache =0A>>>  license,=0A>>>> =0A>>>>  Who asked to release the code?=
 I just want an SVN to throw the code =0A> up at.=0A>>>>  If you look at oo=
dt-pushpull-plugins [1], the LICENSE.txt file is =0A> ALv2. The =0A>>>  cod=
e=0A>>>>  we wrote (in Java) is ALv2. The code includes a runtime Maven2 =
=0A> dependency=0A>>>>  on libraries that provide FTP protocol implementati=
ons (Ftp4Che [2] =0A> and =0A>>>  JvFtp [3])=0A>>>>  that are LGPL licensed=
.=0A>>>> =0A>>> =0A>>>  If you are saying this is compatible with ALv2 ? Th=
en why use Apache=0A>>>  Extras instead of just the oodt SVN official repo =
in Apache ?=0A>>> =0A>>>  -- =0A>>>  Luciano Resende=0A>>>  http://people.a=
pache.org/~lresende=0A>>>  http://twitter.com/lresende1975=0A>>>  http://lr=
esende.blogspot.com/=0A>>> =0A> =0A> =0A> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0A> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.=0A> Senior Comp=
uter Scientist=0A> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA=0A=
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246=0A> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov=
=0A> WWW:=A0 http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/=0A> +++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0A> Adjunct Assistant Professor, =
Computer Science Department=0A> University of Southern California, Los Ange=
les, CA 90089 USA=0A> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+++++++++++++=0A>