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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: Apache Extras Question
Date Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:01:15 GMT
Hey Ross,

On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> [...snip...]
> Nothing in that quote says "using Apache marks", furthermore later sections
> prohibit the use of or marks. Therefore it would be a loophole if those
> clauses were not there. The clauses in our terms need to be read in their
> entirety not individually.
> Personally I don't think we should make the changes you suggest. I do
> understand the logic of your argument, however, those clauses were included
> to prevent confusion and minimise work.

Thanks for taking the time to understand the points I was making. I get it. 

> If we made exceptions for PMCs then
> ComDev would need to start actively policing use of extras. We explicitly
> chose not to do that as we don't have sufficient volunteer energy.
> Furthermore, those clauses were included at the request of VP trademarks
> who was also concerned about confusion and oversight. Even if we were to
> support your change request we would have to get approval from trademarks,
> which I don't believe would be forthcoming.

Yeah I think during my quest to get approval to minimize my own work I opened
the door on a larger issue -- that namespaces are IMHO pretty poor tools to 
police trademarks of the org since they can be so easily changed and forked and
mimicked in all sorts of both unscrupulous and and unassuming/unintentional ways. 
But that's a trademarks issue and one in which I don't have a dog in the fight, nor
care to waste my energy on. You're right, it's not a ComDev issue.

As I just replied to Noirin, I'll soften my patch and suggest in the docs the use
of org.apacheextras as the namespace and I think that moves us forward. Thanks
for taking the time to reply.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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