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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: Apache Extras Question
Date Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:36:23 GMT
Hi Mark,

On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:

>> If you are saying this is compatible with ALv2 ? Then why use Apache
>> Extras instead of just the oodt SVN official repo in Apache ?
> But that's exactly the point! It is NOT ALv2 because it seems that Chris' project compiles
against GPL sources and thus also must be GPL licensed.

Yeah I wasn't sure of that. I would say my 4 Java files are ALv2 licensed, but that
they include runtime dependencies (via Maven2) on LGPL code. I'm not a license expert, but
I thought that would be OK. I know you have a TON of open source legal knowledge
and have respected your opinion on it for a while so you tell me.

> Would it be possible to have it under the package org.apacheextras ?

Yeah I thought about that too. I'd be ~ok with that compromise but still
question what we are doing if our own PMCs can't start up a project on 
Apache Extras and use org.apache.* as a namespace.

> If we don't even allow that, then we can just close down - because then
there is no use for it imo.

Super +1000. That's what I'm rapidly realizing. Why the heck did we associate
ourselves with Apache Extras if it's just Google Code?

I'd go further and say if my 2 concrete proposals are shut down I'll likely 
just take the oodt-pushpull-plugins project down, throw it up on Github or something 
under my personal account, change the namespaces to something nice and 
snarky like org.apacheextrassucks.anotherapacheprojecttogit.* *grin*

> Of course this all implies that apacheextras will make a prominent mentioning that apacheextras
!= ASF and apacheextras might not only contain ALv2 licensed sources but also others.

Yeah, precisely. Thanks for getting what I was saying Mark!


> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Luciano Resende <>
>> To:
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras Question
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <> wrote:
>>> (removing community@ from the CC list; aren't we trying to kill that 
>> thread?)
>>> Hi Ross,
>>> Thanks for replying. Comments below:
>>> On Dec 29, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> [...snip...]
>>>>> It's my understanding that anyone can start up a project at 
>> Apache Extras,
>>>>> in which case, if that person doesn't have an availid here at 
>> the ASF, and
>>>>> doesn't have an ICLA on file, then that's another 
>> situation that I won't
>>>>> speculate on. What I'm much more interested in is in the 
>> situation I presented
>>>>> within this thread. I have an availid. I am an ASF member. I was 
>> looking
>>>>> at Apache Extras as a place to share some Apache OODT plugins that
>>>>> leverage code that is LGPL licensed, that I couldn't otherwise 
>> share within
>>>>> the normal Apache OODT SVN home. Prior to me coming to Apache 
>> Extras,
>>>>> this has been code housed in an internal JPL SVN repository for 
>> years, even
>>>>> before we brought the software to Apache. I'd like to use 
>> Apache Extras to
>>>>> facilitate sharing with an even broader community and to share the 
>> plugins
>>>>> we've developed (which themselves are ALv2 licensed) with 
>> others.
>>>> The ASF does not release code under any license other than the Apache 
>> license,
>>> Who asked to release the code? I just want an SVN to throw the code up at.
>>> If you look at oodt-pushpull-plugins [1], the LICENSE.txt file is ALv2. The 
>> code
>>> we wrote (in Java) is ALv2. The code includes a runtime Maven2 dependency
>>> on libraries that provide FTP protocol implementations (Ftp4Che [2] and 
>> JvFtp [3])
>>> that are LGPL licensed.
>> If you are saying this is compatible with ALv2 ? Then why use Apache
>> Extras instead of just the oodt SVN official repo in Apache ?
>> -- 
>> Luciano Resende

Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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