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From Ulrich Stärk <>
Subject Re: [GSOC] Please review Application
Date Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:10:37 GMT
Here's the Saros text:

Saros provides a way for distributed developers to work together in real-time over the Internet
includes additional features supporting "distributed party programming", a looser type of
collaboration. Saros is considered useful for virtual communities (as typically found in open
projects) in a number of distinct development scenarios, including: pair programming, code
reviewing, coaching and side-by-side programming.


On 07.03.2011 15:54, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 07/03/2011 10:50, Ulrich Stärk wrote:
>>> The Apache Software Foundation hope to help students to get in touch with
>>> Opensource. Beside this we try to teach them how to develop and communicate
>>> in a multi-culture organisation. All this will help them to get some
>>> "real-world" expirience which will hopefully help them later in their
>>> career.
>> I wouldn't put emphasis on the career part. I think Googles motivation is to advocate
open source,
>> the application should reflect this.
> This isn't about Googles motivation, it's about ours. It wouldn't jurt to mention raising
> of our work though.
>>> Did your organization participate in past GSoCs? If so, please summarize
>>> your involvement and the successes and challenges of your participation.
>>> The ASF participate in many GSoCs yet.
> All GSoCs to date
>> We had many success within the last
>>> years. Many "prior" Students are now part of the community (committers) or
>>> even part of the PMC.  So the GSoC helped us (and our projects) to grew and
>>> to build a better community around various projects.
> a few are even members
>>> If your organization participated in past GSoCs, please let us know the
>>> ratio of students passing to students allocated, e.g. 2006: 3/6 for 3 out of
>>> 6 students passed in 2006.
>>> .... (To be added)
> This has to be checked in the admin system, for some reason I can't get to that data
(won't let me
> log in) Noirin, Luciano can you see it?
>>> What is the URL for your ideas page?
> That link says "The selected filter with id '12315354' does not exist.
> If you think this message is wrong, please consult your administrators about getting
the necessary
> permissions. "
> I'm logged in with my JIRA user
>>> What is the main development mailing list for your organization? This
>>> question will be shown to students who would like to get more information
>>> about applying to your organization for GSoC 2011. If your organization uses
>>> more than one list, please make sure to include a description of the list so
>>> students know which to use.
>>> No central list, see the lists of Apache projects at
> Students may approach the GSOC Admins via
>>> Does your organization have an application template you would like to see
>>> students use? If so, please provide it now. Please note that it is a very
>>> good idea to ask students to provide you with their contact information as
>>> part of your template. Their contact details will not be shared with you
>>> automatically via the GSoC 2011 site.
>>> No
> Probably expand here (if the form allows) with something like:
> Each one of our 100+ projects defines their own requirements for individual students.
We require
> that students have already engaged with the project community and thus contact details
are known.
> For administrative purposes we use the standard form provided by Melange.
>>> What criteria did you use to select the individuals who will act as mentors
>>> for your organization? Please be as specific as possible.
>>> The Apache Software Foundation uses the Meritocracy principle to recognize
>>> community contributors which are voted by other community members to receive
>>> "committer karma" for a given project. These committers will be able to
>>> propose ideas and volunteer as mentors for the selected project ideas.
> I'd add something like:
> "We expect our mentors to work with our admins and other experienced mentors. Our evaluation
> gives priority to those who, through the meritocratic process, have demonstrated a willingness
to do
> this.
>>> As for Administrators, we are using a set 4 admins/co-admins.
> These admins are supported by past admins through out Apache Community Development Project
> (
>>> What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students?
>>> We will try to filter on them in the select process and do our best to
>>> "detect" this as soon as possible. Beside this each project/mentor will keep
>>> an eye on this
> I'd replace this with something like:
> "We work hard to filter potentially disappearing students during the application phases.
Over the
> years we have been reasonably successful in defining application processes and selection
> that guard against this. However, it is impossible to spot such cases with 100% accuracy.
> are expected to make all reasonable efforts to contact a disappearing student through
> communication channels we have available. However, as an all volunteer organisation we
do not
> require mentors to actively seek missing students."
>>> What is your plan for dealing with disappearing mentors?
>>> Considering the ASF is a foundation, not a single project, we the admins
>>> would ask for the project PMC to indicate a substitute mentor or provide
>>> co-mentors for the selected projects.
> In all the years of GSoC we have never had a problem with lack of mentoring. In all cases
where a
> mentor has had to step down a replacement has been found.
>>> What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your
>>> project's community before, during and after the program?
>>> We try to treat the students like a part of the community and try to assist
>>> them. This way they feel like be a part of the ASF. This helps to keep them
>>> motivated.
>> Prior to submitting a proposal, students are required to discuss their ideas with
the respective
>> project communities. This is an explicit point we consider when ranking student proposals.
>> the program, our students should work together with their community in all technical
matters. All
>> students are encouraged to participate in their project after GSoC ends. Some might
even be granted
>> committer access based on their contributions.
> +1
> Perhaps adding "It is policy at the ASF that project related decisions are not made in
> consequently students are required to participate in the community if they want their
code to be
> included." at the start of the above para.
>>> If you are a large organization who is vouching for a small organization
>>> applying to GSoC for their first time this year, please list their name and
>>> why you think they'd be good candidates for GSoC here:
>>> Simal:
>>>   - A project registry using DOAP for data harvesting and sharing
>>>   -
> Note this is a day job project, so I am biased. However...
> "This is a good candidate as it is run by Ross Gardler, 5 times GSoC admin and 3 times
mentor for
> the ASF, as such the project team understand the GSoC processes and expectations. It
is an
> interesting project that is attempting to use linked data to expose community activity
in open
> source projects. Although it is in late alpha stages it is starting to attract attention
from a
> small but passionate community. At present it has a focus on open source produced in
> research projects, but it can be used in much broader contexts."
>>> Saros:
>>>   - Distributed Collaborative Editing and Distributed Party Programming
>>>   -
>> We should state a reason why we think these are good canditates for GSoC. I'll have
1-2 sentences
>> prepared for Saros.
>>> Backup Admin (Link ID):
>>> Uli ... ( More to be added)
> If you want to add me (rgardler) it will enable me to keep an eye on the status and help
you with
> the interface if necessary. It's not a complicated webtool, but it might help to have
someone who is
> familar.
> Ross
>> Id is uli, in lower case if that matters.
>> Uli

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