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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:58:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice
From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
To: dev@community.apache.org
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>wrote:

> FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more
> effective way to facilitate change than any other type of
> social program.  I didn't put much stock into the child-raising
> argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal with adults.
>

No argument with that. Though there are some days on members@ where I feel
like someone needs to hand out juice and cookies.


>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:49:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of
> practice
> >
> > Feh. Another screed about raising children from someone who has,
>  apparently,
> > never met one.
> >
> > Every parent I know has had the same  experience: hand some infant female
> a
> > truck, and she rejects it. I'm  carefully choosing my words to avoid
> claiming
> > that this is universal, as  opposed to extremely common.
> >
> > My daughters were no exception. Attracted  like magnets, initially, to
> dolls
> > -- and later interested in a variety of  subjects. The ballet dancer will
> > probably not write the next Linux, but the  jury is still out the younger
> > one.
> >
> > The author just retypes the same  old tired stuff about kids and toys,
> when
> > reality is much more  complicated.
> >
> > People are born, it seems, with a complicated set of  predispositions,
> some
> > of which are more or less strongly related to gender.  Toy stores sell
> what
> > people buy, and some of what people buy is what their  kids pop out
> wanting.
> >
> > On the other hand, the claim that pre-age-seven  play habits are
> causative of
> > later decisions and preferences is supported in  this piece only by
> quoting a
> > Jesuit. Even by the low standards of social  science, that's weak. It's
> also
> > stupid, thoughless, determinism. It never  ceases to amaze me that any
> > suggestion of generic influence rejects to the  point of offense, but the
> > same writers assert that environmental effects are  cast into immutable
> > stone.
> >
> > Maybe women are just smarter and have  figured out that they can get more
> > money for less work in  marketing?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > >  Indeed, and on my birthday no less.  Good  read.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > >  From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > > >  To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > >  Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:31:56 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [proposal]  integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code
> of
> > > practice
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep  16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Joe Schaefer <
> joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> > >   wrote:
> > > > > ...I think
> > > > > we should remain open to  future initiatives,  even those that
> > > > > present potential  "corrective" biases which favor
>  underrepresented
> > > > >  groups....
> > > >
> > > > I agree with that.
> > > >
> > >  > About  women, I found this article very  interesting:
> > >  > http://jolieodell.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/women-in-tech/
> > >  >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

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