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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:13:02 -0400
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Subject: Re: Consensus process
From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
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I've asked for a login on the blog site.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org> wrote:
> Excellent, thank you.
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
> On 20 Sep 2010, at 23:02, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=3D15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT06ZP=
5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=3Den
>>
>> Lazy consensus lazily added.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com=
> wrote:
>>> Ross,
>>>
>>> I completely spaced that out. I'm quite familiar with it. I'll add it.
>>> This is exactly why I wanted to get a review.
>>>
>>> --benson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org> wro=
te:
>>>> This is a fine post and I have no objections to it being published as =
is. However, in the projects I work on the concept of Lazy Consensus is cri=
tical. That is, for the majority of actions permission need not be sought s=
ince most actions can be reversed. Thus non objection means consensus.
>>>>
>>>> This is particularly powerful since it requires people to be active if=
 they want to have a say in the project. That is, people can't just turn up=
 at discussion phase and throw a spanner in the works (as happens in so man=
y committee run endeavours).
>>>>
>>>> Of course this relies on people knowing when they should ask for input=
 on proposed changes. For me this is why merit is critical. For me merit in=
dicates someone has learned when to ask permission as opposed to when to as=
k for forgiveness.
>>>>
>>>> If your experience in projects is different from mine with respect to =
lazy consensus, or if you prefer not to add this detail, I'll follow up wit=
h a post along the above lines.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>>>
>>>> On 20 Sep 2010, at 21:20, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I posted the link to a folder instead of a link to the doc.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=3D15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT0=
6ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=3Den
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=3D15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT=
06ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=3Den
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Care to read before I put it on the blog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org> =
wrote:
>>>>>>> On 16/08/2010 23:03, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a goofy blog at blogger. Is there some mechanism for having=
 an ASF
>>>>>>>> blog?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://blogs.apache.org/comdev/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you post your content here we'll get it up there for you (we've =
not
>>>>>>> really worked out access rights to the blog yet so I'll not assume =
my own
>>>>>>> preference is universal at this point).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ross
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Ross Gardler<rgardler@apache.org>=
 =C2=A0wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16/08/2010 22:37, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Recent discussions on various lists have led me to think about
>>>>>>>>>> 'Consensus
>>>>>>>>>> Process' as an area of possible effort for comdev. People are no=
t born
>>>>>>>>>> knowing how to operate a consensus process, and some discussions=
 suggest
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> me that the communities might benefit from something written dow=
n as a
>>>>>>>>>> aid
>>>>>>>>>> memoire or training device.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =C2=A0I'm sure that I could find some references on this subject,=
 but I'm more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> inclined to type up a somewhat personal introduction to consensu=
s
>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>> and see if anyone thinks that it's worth further work and eventu=
al
>>>>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Starting with a personal blog post on the topic would be great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may want to look at the content at
>>>>>>>>> http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/meritocraticGovernanceModel.=
xml - in
>>>>>>>>> particular section 2.4
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This document discusses the mechanics of consensus and decision m=
aking in
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> meritocratic project. However, it does not discuss the social asp=
ects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's always been my intention to bring that content here, but I'v=
e not
>>>>>>>>> found the time yet. It's currently CC-BY-SA, but I'm happy to mak=
e it
>>>>>>>>> available under an Apache Licence if it would compliment your wor=
k in any
>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ross
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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