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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Consensus process
Date Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:36:14 GMT
Ross,

I completely spaced that out. I'm quite familiar with it. I'll add it.
This is exactly why I wanted to get a review.

--benson


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org> wrote:
> This is a fine post and I have no objections to it being published as is. However, in
the projects I work on the concept of Lazy Consensus is critical. That is, for the majority
of actions permission need not be sought since most actions can be reversed. Thus non objection
means consensus.
>
> This is particularly powerful since it requires people to be active if they want to have
a say in the project. That is, people can't just turn up at discussion phase and throw a spanner
in the works (as happens in so many committee run endeavours).
>
> Of course this relies on people knowing when they should ask for input on proposed changes.
For me this is why merit is critical. For me merit indicates someone has learned when to ask
permission as opposed to when to ask for forgiveness.
>
> If your experience in projects is different from mine with respect to lazy consensus,
or if you prefer not to add this detail, I'll follow up with a post along the above lines.
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
> On 20 Sep 2010, at 21:20, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think I posted the link to a folder instead of a link to the doc.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT06ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=en
>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT06ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=en
>>>
>>> Care to read before I put it on the blog?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> On 16/08/2010 23:03, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a goofy blog at blogger. Is there some mechanism for having an
ASF
>>>>> blog?
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.apache.org/comdev/
>>>>
>>>> If you post your content here we'll get it up there for you (we've not
>>>> really worked out access rights to the blog yet so I'll not assume my own
>>>> preference is universal at this point).
>>>>
>>>> Ross
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Ross Gardler<rgardler@apache.org>
 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/08/2010 22:37, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recent discussions on various lists have led me to think about
>>>>>>> 'Consensus
>>>>>>> Process' as an area of possible effort for comdev. People are
not born
>>>>>>> knowing how to operate a consensus process, and some discussions
suggest
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> me that the communities might benefit from something written
down as a
>>>>>>> aid
>>>>>>> memoire or training device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm sure that I could find some references on this subject, but
I'm more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> inclined to type up a somewhat personal introduction to consensus
>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>> and see if anyone thinks that it's worth further work and eventual
>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting with a personal blog post on the topic would be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may want to look at the content at
>>>>>> http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/meritocraticGovernanceModel.xml
- in
>>>>>> particular section 2.4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This document discusses the mechanics of consensus and decision making
in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> meritocratic project. However, it does not discuss the social aspects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's always been my intention to bring that content here, but I've
not
>>>>>> found the time yet. It's currently CC-BY-SA, but I'm happy to make
it
>>>>>> available under an Apache Licence if it would compliment your work
in any
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ross
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

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